Endeavor Vs. Republic
 

So, after talking with recruitment between Endeavor and Republic, I'm at an impasse between the two. How true is it that Endeavor is leading the regional's in 3 year FO pay and has a guaranteed interview "flow" into Delta? Also, what are the upgrade times averaging at Endeavor with hours flown per month?

As for Republic, Upgrade times? And has there been any changes at the company after the "business Bankruptcy"? And what has been heard about the trend of the company as far as growth?

Not trying to be a lifer at the regional's and endgame goal is Delta, just trying to find the best deal at time.

Endeavor most junior awarded upgrade is Spring 2014 hire.
No 'flow', but a guaranteed interview after 24 months as a captain.
First year pay is $30/hour with a $3,000 bonus and $20,000 retention bonus every four months (works out to be around $50,000 first year).

Where do you want to live? Figure that out and go from there. Living in base is huge, followed by least painful commute.

Read through the Endeavor and Republic threads, you'll find all your answers there. With that being said, it blows my mind that people are still going to Republic, it is such an unsure entity at this point. Even if things get really good the short term is still going to be painful.

Is the retention bonus guaranteed beyond 2018? I thought I saw that it was in place only until then (obviously they could continue to extend).

Feel free to PM me for details on RAH.

Funny because I know about 10-15 pilots all at Republic and none of them have said a single bad thing about the company since BK was filed. Its still business as usual there.

Endeavor. Is the Republic or Endeavor a serious question?

They have no plans for canceling 40% of our paychecks. It was guaranteed and there will be another contract extending that. Just look at Ed Bastions comments about 9E. Endeavor is going to be around a lot longer than Republic.

That's a bold statement, sounds like what some people would have said about comair. I think ALL regionals are running out of time.

Take a look at what Ed said about RAH after the Delta deal was reached and tell me how you came to that conclusion.

I thought that sounded familiar.

Well not exactly. It does end after 2018 and as of right now there isn't anything published to replace it. Certainly contract is up around then, but no one knows what will be in it or how long it takes to get one. Now, they are pushing the pay as a major reason to come, so they will need something if they want to keep advertising it.

As for who will be around longer, good luck to anybody guessing that one!

Pay is pretty similar between the two really. Location (domicile) should be a primary concern. Other QOL issues are reserve time. I just finished OE this month and have a line in June. Can't beat that! And of course upgrades. Most junior has been stated for endeavor though I think by the end of the summer you'll be amazed since they just decided to waive the 1000 hr company requirement in order to fill the vacancies they didn't have any qualified (time wise) for when those 2014 awards came out. So it will be even more junior.
I chose endeavor over republic (both would've been commuting) and am extremely happy. I could have also been content at republic. I know the folks here at endeavor have been good and in good spirits. The guys I know at republic say the same.


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Congrats on the job, and getting a line so fast. Something is definitely in the works as far as the upgrade times. I got an email and a phone call asking about my times. As far as the OP question goes if I had to choose i would go Endeavor. Not trying to be a company cheerleader but we're in a good position for a regional but you have to find out whats important to you. Republic may have a base that's just right for you. Everyone has their reason for going to whatever airline they go to. Just be sure to pick a place that you will be comfortable at if the music stops again.

Republic and Endeavor are my top two as well. After talking to pilots from both, is not an easy decision. Which speaks volumes of both airlines.

It's a good position to be in then. Seems like things have improved markedly at RAH the last 6-12 months.

As it stands right now the retention bonus is doing its job for both parties. If it goes away in 2018 with no new contract so would 500-1000 pilots within a few months.

Same here and republic is leading for me since I would home base at Pit.

I'm at Endeavor and am happy here but also commute because we like where we live. I definitely will put in a plug to live in base if you can. The QOL is especially noticeable when you only have one or two days off. Money and upgrade times can be fickle. Good luck on the decision.

Endeavor and republic aren't even close to being on the same page. Why anyone would go to republic is beyond me. Everyday we fly multiple flights for them due to multiple issues. Plus they are bankrupt, hard times are just beginning for them. Stay away

The many base choices and a contract that's as good as anywhere would have me going to Republic if given those two choices. I have many friends from the old time airlines that we were at when still in business and they are all happy there. More importantly, if the music suddenly came to a stop for some reason I would say you are in a better spot there. The whole "eggs in one basket thing."

Good luck.

Everyone's perspective is different. However, in today's market I would say wholly owned is the way regional flying is shifting

You would pick a shrinking regional in bankruptcy verses one that is owned by one the world's most profitable airline? Sorry, I don't want to be too insensitive to your plight because a lot of what happens in this industry is luck but:

Your record warrants that your advice be taken with a few grains of salt. Farm drinks the Kool-aid but I agree, unless you live in a Republic base and you think it is going to be around more than a year there is no question. All the regionals are risky but by going to Republic you are picking the most unstable of the unstable. Why? There is a likely probability that you'll be applying back to another regional in a year and reseting your seniority and pay. What is the big payout for making this risky gamble?

Yeah...I know. I went to a regional job 4 times because I didn't like it at the national/major I was at. So I just thought it would make more sense to head back to a regional voluntarily. Makes sense. 2 are now out of business, and the other 2 were furloughs. But you're right, it was stupid for me to get furloughed and go back to the regionals...what was I thinking?

I guess giving someone my opinion as an answer to their question is not what I should be doing on a message board. Silly me. Thank you for setting me straight.

I'm questioning your judgment to pick companies, you know the whole point of this thread? You offered your opinion on what would make a viable company, remember? You posted like two hours ago, do you need me to link back to it? You know where you said you'd go with the shrinking bankrupt airline? And then I pointed out your history of picking airlines - all relevant in this discussion. I'm not sure what you were thinking, that is why I'm pointing out what you posted should be taken with a grain of salt.

lol...why even bother trying to respond to someone asking a legitimate question anymore.

I'll concede, good day.

I think we both can agree that's a stretch...

Didn't YOUR regional of choice recently go thru a bankruptcy? And yet, you stayed. Sometimes, there are options. Other times, not so much.

Endeavor is certainly the "flavor of the moment" when it comes to koolaid. But I think RAH will emerge from the BK stronger than before. Not really a whole lot fleeing from a "sinking ship" over there tells me things are still pretty good. At the same time, I would say that Endeavor is a bit more stable, and has a slight bit of growth at the moment.

Stable, profitable, wholly owned, blah blah blah. This thread is embarrassing. None of us know period end of discussion. We are just a rock getting kicked down the street. This thread is the reason why regional pay still sucks ballz....bunch of peckers arguing over size!

Bob,

Is there anything you don't know? Taxes? How to interview? The future of the airline world? Management styles? What the majors are looking for when hiring? You are an expert on everything.

Yes, I worked at a carrier that went bankrupt. And it would of been a horrible time to go work there. In fact everyone who left is probably now in a better spot. What is your point? Not really relevant here, we are talking about which airline to go work at RIGHT NOW and which one will have a better future. There really isn't a question right now about which airline is more risky. What is the payoff for that risk?

Would have been.

You seem to be a very bitter person on here. Hopefully that's not you in real life.

Bingo! We have a winner...well said sir.

Bob, come on, you are the one correcting grammar and changing user names - don't call me out. How many user names have you been through this year?

This thread is not why regional pay is bad, regional pay is bad because we all took jobs (YOU INCLUDED) at a regional airline with terrible pay. Don't try to exclude yourself from the blame.

Very true. Anyone that's been in this a while knows just how cyclical this industry is, especially the regional sector. Most of these posts were in regards to the present time as no one has a working crystal ball. Not sure why yum yum is so opposed to the original intent of this thread.

Bob works for the Delta propaganda machine.

I'm at Endeavor and like it. I was on the jumpseat of a Shuttle E170 and the crew (great crew) were saying the usual complaints about the company but they loved the airplane...I'd echo the advice of those above and shoot for qol. Living in base , followed by easy commute. All these companies will do what they need to in order to recruit so the dynamics will change. They're all variations on a theme anyway. Wherever you work, get what you can out of it and be professional.

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You clearly missed the point rookie. Go back on guard frequency and sound off troll.

Hey man, Out of all the information posted I appreciate all of the serious answers and considerations. I've come to discover that where I want to live, I'm going to have a one flight commute no matter which airline I choose. Just like every one trying to get the best contract at the time and the fastest bet to the majors at the time. Thanks all.

You just narrowed it down drastically. If you cannot choose a contract airline that allows you to live in base, if you have to commute, pick the place that has the best contract and best pay. At the end of the day, money does not buy happiness. But it DOES bridge the gap between poverty and the lack of stress that being able to pay your bills every month does.