Future Fuels for GA
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Thanks for the update, Cub. I am following this with a high degree of interest myself, as I still fly GA (when my wife lets me!) and because GA has so many economic impacts.
#152
This topic slowed down a lot during the last two years, but apparently 9 distinct Avgas formulas have been identified as the final contestants in the rather slow race to find a 100LL Avgas replacement.
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FAA Receives Unleaded Fuel Proposals For General-Aviation Aircraft.
USA Today (7/10, Jansen) reported that the FAA has announced that it received “10 proposals for unleaded fuel to consider for general-aviation aircraft.” USA Today said that the FAA will now “determine by Sept. 1 which fuels to send to an agency lab in Atlantic City for testing that Congress authorized $6 million for this year.” Transportation Secretary Anthony Foxx said, “We’re committed to getting harmful lead out of general-aviation fuel.” Pete Bunch, CEO of the General Aviation Manufacturers Association, called the effort “a key milestone for ensuring the continued safety of our aircraft, benefiting the environment and minimizing the economic disruption to our industry.”
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FAA Receives Unleaded Fuel Proposals For General-Aviation Aircraft.
USA Today (7/10, Jansen) reported that the FAA has announced that it received “10 proposals for unleaded fuel to consider for general-aviation aircraft.” USA Today said that the FAA will now “determine by Sept. 1 which fuels to send to an agency lab in Atlantic City for testing that Congress authorized $6 million for this year.” Transportation Secretary Anthony Foxx said, “We’re committed to getting harmful lead out of general-aviation fuel.” Pete Bunch, CEO of the General Aviation Manufacturers Association, called the effort “a key milestone for ensuring the continued safety of our aircraft, benefiting the environment and minimizing the economic disruption to our industry.”
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#154
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Avgas replacement: It?s not just about octane - AOPA
After testing more than 3,000 formulas over a 10-year period, Shell Aviation submitted its candidate fuel to the FAA for consideration as a fleet-wide, unleaded avgas replacement in July. Company officials at EAA AirVenture were optimistic about the Piston Aviation Fuels Initiative’s plan to have a replacement in place by 2018 but acknowledged that there are many challenges to overcome in the next four years.
What the FAA, fuel industry, and aviation industry are trying to do—certify an unleaded fuel that will work in all piston engines in the general aviation fleet and come as close to the specifications as leaded avgas as possible to minimize operational limitations—has never been done before.
“It’s never been done before, but everyone wants this to succeed,” said Michael Sargeant, Shell Aviation’s unleaded avgas commercial leader. “Everyone needs this to succeed.”
The FAA is currently reviewing nine candidate fuels submitted from five groups: Afton Chemical Company; Avgas LLC; Shell; Swift Fuels; and a consortium made up of BP, TOTAL, and Hjelmco. Shell Global Technical Manager of Aviation Fuels Robert Midgley said the FAA will be judging the fuel properties of each candidate against 21 specifications that are key to ensuring a fuel is safe for aircraft engines.
Of critical importance, Midgley said, is taking what has been learned from 90-plus years of experience flying with avgas, and making sure the new fuel is as close to the historical norm as possible. And, he explained, it’s more difficult than just removing the lead.
“It’s not that easy,” he said, adding that if had been easy, lead would have been removed from avgas 20 or 30 years ago. “It’s not just the octane,” he said, but the “other 20 specs are important.”
Midgley said that Shell’s fuel meets 19 of the 21 specifications and is close to meeting the remaining two: final boiling point and energy density. Shell has performed numerous engine bench tests with the fuel and flown with it in a Piper Saratoga. The company said will begin more extensive flight testing later this summer, but tests so far show that the fuel has the same detonation and performance characteristics as leaded avgas.
A path forward
Sargeant was quick to point out that Shell, or any other fuel supplier, can’t bring an unleaded product to market alone. “The key to bring any fuel to market,” he said, is a “collaborative space,” that includes testing support and historical data from engine and aircraft manufactures, aviation groups, and the FAA.
That’s where the PAFI steering group comes in. The group includes the FAA, AOPA and other aviation advocacy groups, and the American Petroleum Institute. Through PAFI the government and aviation and fuels industries will work to create tests for the fuels that will lead to data needed for the fleet-wide approval of the fuel or fuels with the least impact on the existing fleet.
“Without that PAFI process, it would be impossible to bring a fuel to market,” said Midgley. “It’s really turning the process 180 degrees.” Historically, the FAA has certified engines to run on certain fuels. But through this process, the FAA’s goal is to have a new fuel work in existing piston engines.
Since PAFI was created, Midgley said that he is starting to see the aviation industry switch gears and really step up to participate in the process—beyond the testing support Continental, Lycoming, and some aircraft manufacturers have already been doing with Shell.
In September, the candidate fuels will begin testing at the FAA’s Williams J. Hughes Technical Center near Atlantic City, New Jersey.
Cost factor
Many pilots are concerned about what the replacement fuel will cost. While it is impossible to estimate a final cost because of the multiple factors that make up the cost of a fuel—the components in the formula, distribution infrastructure, taxes and fees, etc.—Midgley said that a replacement is “unlikely to be cheaper … at least not significantly cheaper.” He explained that from a component standpoint, what is going into the unleaded fuel costs about the same as the components that go into leaded avgas. However, the component cost is a “small portion” of the overall cost of the fuel.
The new fuel also could enjoy a larger market than leaded avgas. Midgley pointed out that would be good news for the light sport aircraft industry. LSA engines don’t like the lead in avgas, but they also shouldn’t run on gasoline from the pump that has ethanol in it. A lead-free, ethanol-free aviation fuel would be beneficial to that market.
Peace of mind
Beyond ensuring the right fuel is put into the aircraft and checking it for contamination, many pilots don’t give the fuel running through their aircraft’s engine a second thought, yet it is the one provision in an aircraft that is not duplicated and does not have a failsafe, said Midgley, who earned his pilot certificate in Europe.
The reliability and safety leaded avgas has offered aviation over the years is worth celebrating, he said. “The industry as a whole can take a pat on the back.”
And that’s the bar the fuel companies are aiming to meet with the fuel replacement. “We as an industry need to make sure it is intrinsically safe when it goes in the aircraft,” Midgley said. “At the moment, we worry about that so you don’t.”
After testing more than 3,000 formulas over a 10-year period, Shell Aviation submitted its candidate fuel to the FAA for consideration as a fleet-wide, unleaded avgas replacement in July. Company officials at EAA AirVenture were optimistic about the Piston Aviation Fuels Initiative’s plan to have a replacement in place by 2018 but acknowledged that there are many challenges to overcome in the next four years.
What the FAA, fuel industry, and aviation industry are trying to do—certify an unleaded fuel that will work in all piston engines in the general aviation fleet and come as close to the specifications as leaded avgas as possible to minimize operational limitations—has never been done before.
“It’s never been done before, but everyone wants this to succeed,” said Michael Sargeant, Shell Aviation’s unleaded avgas commercial leader. “Everyone needs this to succeed.”
The FAA is currently reviewing nine candidate fuels submitted from five groups: Afton Chemical Company; Avgas LLC; Shell; Swift Fuels; and a consortium made up of BP, TOTAL, and Hjelmco. Shell Global Technical Manager of Aviation Fuels Robert Midgley said the FAA will be judging the fuel properties of each candidate against 21 specifications that are key to ensuring a fuel is safe for aircraft engines.
Of critical importance, Midgley said, is taking what has been learned from 90-plus years of experience flying with avgas, and making sure the new fuel is as close to the historical norm as possible. And, he explained, it’s more difficult than just removing the lead.
“It’s not that easy,” he said, adding that if had been easy, lead would have been removed from avgas 20 or 30 years ago. “It’s not just the octane,” he said, but the “other 20 specs are important.”
Midgley said that Shell’s fuel meets 19 of the 21 specifications and is close to meeting the remaining two: final boiling point and energy density. Shell has performed numerous engine bench tests with the fuel and flown with it in a Piper Saratoga. The company said will begin more extensive flight testing later this summer, but tests so far show that the fuel has the same detonation and performance characteristics as leaded avgas.
A path forward
Sargeant was quick to point out that Shell, or any other fuel supplier, can’t bring an unleaded product to market alone. “The key to bring any fuel to market,” he said, is a “collaborative space,” that includes testing support and historical data from engine and aircraft manufactures, aviation groups, and the FAA.
That’s where the PAFI steering group comes in. The group includes the FAA, AOPA and other aviation advocacy groups, and the American Petroleum Institute. Through PAFI the government and aviation and fuels industries will work to create tests for the fuels that will lead to data needed for the fleet-wide approval of the fuel or fuels with the least impact on the existing fleet.
“Without that PAFI process, it would be impossible to bring a fuel to market,” said Midgley. “It’s really turning the process 180 degrees.” Historically, the FAA has certified engines to run on certain fuels. But through this process, the FAA’s goal is to have a new fuel work in existing piston engines.
Since PAFI was created, Midgley said that he is starting to see the aviation industry switch gears and really step up to participate in the process—beyond the testing support Continental, Lycoming, and some aircraft manufacturers have already been doing with Shell.
In September, the candidate fuels will begin testing at the FAA’s Williams J. Hughes Technical Center near Atlantic City, New Jersey.
Cost factor
Many pilots are concerned about what the replacement fuel will cost. While it is impossible to estimate a final cost because of the multiple factors that make up the cost of a fuel—the components in the formula, distribution infrastructure, taxes and fees, etc.—Midgley said that a replacement is “unlikely to be cheaper … at least not significantly cheaper.” He explained that from a component standpoint, what is going into the unleaded fuel costs about the same as the components that go into leaded avgas. However, the component cost is a “small portion” of the overall cost of the fuel.
The new fuel also could enjoy a larger market than leaded avgas. Midgley pointed out that would be good news for the light sport aircraft industry. LSA engines don’t like the lead in avgas, but they also shouldn’t run on gasoline from the pump that has ethanol in it. A lead-free, ethanol-free aviation fuel would be beneficial to that market.
Peace of mind
Beyond ensuring the right fuel is put into the aircraft and checking it for contamination, many pilots don’t give the fuel running through their aircraft’s engine a second thought, yet it is the one provision in an aircraft that is not duplicated and does not have a failsafe, said Midgley, who earned his pilot certificate in Europe.
The reliability and safety leaded avgas has offered aviation over the years is worth celebrating, he said. “The industry as a whole can take a pat on the back.”
And that’s the bar the fuel companies are aiming to meet with the fuel replacement. “We as an industry need to make sure it is intrinsically safe when it goes in the aircraft,” Midgley said. “At the moment, we worry about that so you don’t.”
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While it is impossible to estimate a final cost because of the multiple factors that make up the cost of a fuel—the components in the formula, distribution infrastructure, taxes and fees, etc.—Midgley said that a replacement is “unlikely to be cheaper … at least not significantly cheaper.”
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#157
Could be kind of expensive when the EPA sues the avgas industry for violating its lead-free deadline. And not to start another eco-politics debate, but lead free is a lot better for everyone which is why EPA insists on it. Lead has been linked to brain damage in children (same as lead paints) and the negative health effects are expensive to say the least. Unfortunately the cost is going to be high while R&D costs are recouped on the new lead-free fuels. I share your hope it will come down at least to current avgas prices in a decade or so; competition will drive it back down in time.
#158
Well this would count as an alternative fuel...........
Lockheed Says Its Fusion Reactor Could Power Airplanes - AVweb flash Article
Lockheed Says Its Fusion Reactor Could Power Airplanes - AVweb flash Article
#159
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Well this would count as an alternative fuel...........
Lockheed Says Its Fusion Reactor Could Power Airplanes - AVweb flash Article
Lockheed Says Its Fusion Reactor Could Power Airplanes - AVweb flash Article



This would power a lot more than airplanes...If it's for real. I'm astounded that this is not more publicized if they're far enough along to be taking about aviation applications.
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WARP SPEED Scotty!!
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