Envoy Flow Question
 

I'm considering going to Envoy - the primary thing attracting me there is the flow. I know it would be a while, but that's fine, I can be patient.

However, I was talking with an AA pilot and he said that for flow, AA will only be required to take 800 some more pilots - after that, pilots will still flow, but AA can say no... which to me makes it worthless. If I go to Envoy, I want that guarantee.

Can someone get me some factual details about the Envoy Flow program?

Ask Compass how their flow is going. Don't pick an airline for the flow, they could end tomorrow. That's my advice. If you have other reasons for Envoy great but seriously should so some research if your primary determining factor is flow...

Simply not the case anymore. To be honest this advice was probably prudent in like 2005, not anymore. AA is hanging a lot on it's "flow hat". They know if anything happens to the flow their precious WO feed will wither and die due to not being able to hire. It also keeps costs low at said WO. Id say the flow is pretty safe for the forseeable future.

The Compass pilots who got hired under the flow program flowed. Anyone hired after they were sold to TSH was never offered any flow.

Yeah man, what are you talking about? The Compass pilots who had a flow, flowed. Those hired after a certain date were never offered any sort of flow when they were new hires. Best to get your facts straight if you're going to answer someone's question. And to the OP, what that AA pilot told you is 100% false. Our flow numbers change at certain benchmarks in the seniority list, but everyone on property (including new hires) will be offered a position at AA as long as AA is hiring.

That guy you spoke with is misinformed. The only thing that changes as time goes on is the minimum percentage of pilots who are required to flow per month. But at no time can AA simply say no flows, unless they stop hiring. As long as AA is hiring flows are required to go as well.

In before everyone starts talking about post 9/11 broken promises...as if it has any bearing on the current situation.

100% inaccurate.

Why is it that those with the smallest brains always have the biggest mouths? In line with your complete misunderstanding of how the Compass Flow worked, I wouldn't recommend that any person take a job in the United States of America. The country is only a couple of hundred years old, pretty young compared to other countries. We don't really know that they country is going to take or not. I'd go get a job in China, a country with thousands of years of history.

The Compass flow worked, completely as advertised. The company simply chose to not extend the flow beyond it's contractually required limitation. Envoy's (or any WOed) flow has no end point unless the contract is changed during normal section 6 negotiations.

The Envoy profile page has the breakdown of the flow agreement.

As your Envoy thread has a daily argument about the inaccurate "projections" of your flow...where no one really understands it. Try to not take someone else's opinion so personal. Lol. Softest skin people on this forum are when you say something about their flow.


My point was picking a regional for a flow? Seriously? You guys act like you know the future. Settle down and open your minds. This industry is extremely volatile....apparently Envoy has some exception? Compass was my example and they were wholly owned.....

You say my comment was stupid and follow it up with that? Loool