Momma always says, stupid is what stupid does!

Can you explain how you expect the time to AA to decrease when the flow numbers will only decrease the rest of the year? It sounds like we're not even going to hit the meter some months.

Good news is for Mondays or random weekday other than Friday so people/investors don't forget it over the weekend. Keeping alive the 0 for a million on apc Friday announcement predictions!

If you've been here three years and haven't upgraded, it sounds like a personal problem to me. Did you not see the last vacancy award? 7/20/15. That's the date of the most junior awarded Captain.

Nice troll post. "Big announcement just around the corner" rumors aren't that funny anymore, just lame.

I'm speechless

He's not the brightest.

Many folks have been here 3, 4, 5, 6 + years and have been awarded upgrade and are awaiting upgrade class. That's reality in the real world outside your office. It's not completely honest to claim "sub 2 year upgrades."

Go back and take a look at the first post on this thread. It says upgrades are now just under 2 years. That's a fact and it's posted by someone who is very much in the know. I'd like to see you dispute this fact. You have no grounds.

While it is true that a 2015 hire has been awarded upgrade, I know for a fact that 5 and 6+ year FOs are waiting for upgrade class. That is a FACT.

I know I'm just wasting my time with you, but you do realize "awarded" and "upgraded" are two different things right? The upgrade time, the time it's taken someone to upgrade (flying as a CA, getting PIC, and getting paid as such) is still at 6 years.

Exactly. Apparently he is either unaware or deliberately trying to deceive regarding upgrade time. Sure, 2.5 very well may happen later this year, but it's not here yet.

...is also a FACT that there are July '11 hires done with "Captain" IOE, just waiting for Fed rides :cool:

...it is also a FACT that early 2011 hires were awarded upgrade last October and are still waiting to go to class :cool:

Pay attention! There was a big announcement...From Air Wisconsin.

That's their choice, everyone knows that the quick upgrade is on the 145, u wanna wait, then go for the 175, wanna wait even longer? Go for the CRJ

Which Friday

Yo. Dude. It's not an upgrade until that paycheck hits.

And can someone tell me why, as training to be a FO we get FO rates. Training to be a captain we get FO rates.

According to all the rah rah stooges we ARE a captain when it's on paper. Pay up!!!

And how come at airlines like Republic and Piedmont FOs withheld from upgrading get captain pay after a reasonable amount of time but we don't?

Because Envoy

Fake News!!! Way to go, Sky!

He really got my hopes up

I have been selected to upgrade but I haven't received the pay or the PIC time. I still fly as an FO. On paper I may be selected to be a CA, but I have upgraded yet.

Apparently that's your problem.

You are already an AA pilot and you're already an envoy captain. Get with the program.

http://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/ne...hoo&yptr=yahoo

Here's the big announcement. AAG dropping some coin on a new campus. Will Envoy get to come back to the nest? Big announcement to come.


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This was announced over a year ago. #oldnews

Congratulations New Captains!
 

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#AlternativeFacts....

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Still haven't had any selections from (or communications regarding) the PP List! But you're right: new hires are coming in waves, every week now.
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Exactly. It's getting painfully obvious now that there won't be PPs in June. I bet they have the excuse locked and loaded already. Any guess as to what it'll be?

"We don't care about you, and due to our poor utilization of pilot resources, we decided to not do any flows."

Wait, they would never go with the truth.

"Due to [made up lie], we weren't fully prepared in enough time to send flows for the month of June."

No, that won't work either, they would never accept the blame.

"{Radio silence}" or "blah blah blah, made up empty BS that in no way implicates management"

Here's how to tell if the flow is violated in June. According to Sam Pool's 4/14 email, the last 11 of the 824 will be flowing in June. In Letter 12-03 of our contract, it states:

"if the last new hire class containing Eagle pilots occupying any of the 824 positions contains fewer than 35% Eagle pilots, then AA agrees to offer to Eagle pilots under this Agreement the number of positions necessary to achieve 35%."

So if AA hires 31 pilots or less in June, then they don't need to add any PPs to make 35%. But if AA hires more than 31 pilots in June, we need PPs in class to get it to 35% of whatever the total is, or they will be violating the flowthrough agreement. Selection is meaningless, except that they have to select in time to get us 35% in class in June.

Sometimes AA slows down its classes in the summer months. The first May class at AA only had 21, though it looks like they will have 3 classes beginning in May (if they keep starting them every other Tuesday). We'll have to wait and see how many go to class in June.

This is how I read it anyway, it seems pretty cut and dry. If they violate the flow...well everyone will have to decide for themselves what reaction will be appropriate.

I guess they can't combine 824 and PP in the same month (something about AA seniority order: an older PP pilot can be senior to a younger 824 pilot if on the same class), so about 12 flows in June, then in July 35% of the AA class, Aug with the arrival of #40, back up to 25 per month. Another slow summer.

That's not what Letter 12-03 says. There is supposed to be overlap.

Gotcha, was scratching my head there for a minute

Yeah, it's fun wading through the legalese.

Just for the record it says in the Comair II contract (Letter 15-01) that "The provisions of Letters 12-02, 12-03, and 12-04 ("Protected Pilots") shall remain in full force"

The can't mess with the flow. The moment they do, this place will implode.:mad:

That's funny, I said something like that a few weeks ago, and you responded something to the effect that this pilot group and the union didn't have the backbone to do anything about it. You're slipping.