Congratulations New Captains!
 

Envoy's upgrade is officially just under 2 years. I'm very happy for all who are upgrading...these are exciting times and you all should be proud.

That is great! A lot of people, myself included, owe Ric an apology. Bucket made it!


Envoy Haters Club in 3, 2...

( I can't wait and see how they attempt to twist this into a bad thing )

Don't you know they lied! They promised a 2.5 year upgrade. And now it's sub 2. Once again they aren't upholding their promises!

Wish you were wrong.

This is great news congrats to all. It took me quite a bit longer before I was able to move seats . I flew with some very seasoned guys who taught me a lot of what I know today. I experienced a lot of different situations in my short 8.5 years in the right seat which I am now able to use in the left. I question how the transition will be for guys with only 2 years under their belt. Of course we all know how to fly, but when it comes to making those PIC decisions will some of these guys have issues? I guess time will tell good luck to all.

More news coming later this week, folks. Stay tuned..it's a biggie. Yes, I know. Big News Friday. Lol...but yeah, big news Friday.

Give this man a prize...lol!

It's definitely on the job training if you have less than 2 years but it also depends on the airline operation too such as maintenance and a competent dispatch. That's most of the battle for new CAs.

Considering I was a 7 year upgrade just last October. I'm impressed.

Hahaha, the nerve! I would never! :D Congrats to all new Captains!

Its not rocket science you know.

What I don't understand is why do we have to go around and spread lies/half truths when facts are all that needs to reported. And the upgrade times are very good news and will only get better.

We don't have a sub two year upgrade time. Paper CA doesn't equal real CA. By late summer/fall we should (based on the flow plan) have sub three year CAs finishing IOE. We may see a sub two year CA in the winter but who knows.

Please don't let it be we are operating more e-140s.

So all of the claims of the "Envoy salesmen" turned out to be true, so far...

I wonder what Ag386 and eaglefly are up to these days. I was seriously skeptical of the 2.5 year upgrade/6 year flow claims, but it appears as though the 2015 hires hit the sweet spot.

More 140's wouldn't be terrible news. More planes means more lines and better schedules. More bases would probably follow an announcement of more planes, too.

More planes = more junior mans. **** poor utilization won't change, and more aircraft will only make things worse.

Has the upgrade time actually come down this much or was this a new hire who was able to take advantage of senior FO's passing up the upgrade?

They probably do just as well as all the other low longevity captains at other regionals.

Hopefully there will be some communication soon, from either the company or the union, about the first selections coming from the Protected Pilots list. More planes = less flow.

This^^^^^^

Isn't that true of every airline? Many FO's have children or other family circumstances that make them favor QOL over PIC experience and (slightly) increased pay. Especially since an upgrade isn't required to flow to AA.

No, no it doesn't. Have you seen the new hire numbers? Plenty of new hires coming in to support that growth and still flow. Your above statement is unsubstantiated propaganda, not logic.

Yes but all FOs could take first available upgrade and the upgrade time would still drop. The amount of hiring and attrition we have is what's causing the upgrade time to drop. People bypassing/waiting for the 175 helps too though.

Nonsense. We are still scheduled to lose 9 CRJs this year, around 24 CRJs next year, the 140s will keep us hull neutral or slightly positive.

The good: The new hires are here, the minimum required hrs to complete IOE for upgrades is down to 10hrs (on the 145 at least), more check airman coming because more money is being offered, new sims, the infamous 2 year upgrade is almost a reality. Company is doing all they can on the training front.

The bad: the schedules, RSV rules and QOL issues, not much has changed unfortunately, schedules still suck, RSV rules suck.

Common sense does not equal propaganda. Based on your logic, I will expect no future metering of the flow and an immediate announcement of protected pilot list selection, with no delay in flow as we transition from the last of the 824 selectees.

You left out and the ugly.

He's saying the more planes the larger the seniorty list. More people means longer flows.

That's not how the flow works for new hires. It is a direct ratio to amount of pilots on seniority list. He is saying more planes with same amount of pilots means management will have a reason to meter.

Rumor has it that we will be metered to 25/month no matter how many people we hire. The protected pilot agreement is based on a ratio of 50% of an AA new-hire class with the ability to meter down to 25/month if staffing doesn't support sending more. It appears management is viewing the 25/month as a maximum and disregarding the portion that says 50%.

That being said all my flow projections for myself have been based off of 25/month, so I couldn't care less if we hire a lot or not.

Are they even flowing 25 a month? Just curious.

From what I've heard, AA is slowing down all of their hiring over the summer so we might not even get to 25 some months. That's just hearsay though. It'd be nice to get some communication from ALPA and/or the company regarding what to expect.

It isn't really just hearsay. Didn't the first May class at AA only have 21 in it? That is considerably smaller than the rest of the classes this year. This matches what they've done the last few summers.

And don't forget that the 50%/metered to 25 does not apply until the 40th 175 is on the property. For now it is only 35%, with no metering. It will be definitely be under 25 for the next few months.

RW was obviously lying when he said 330+ in January, just like he was lying when he said 300+ for 2016 the January before. The company apologists on here jumped all over anyone who claimed the 330+ number was a joke, but obviously it was.

It would be very interesting if AA were to slow down hiring yet again. Delta and United have been hiring hundreds of pilots per year for a few years now. AA is getting farther and farther behind. The retirement numbers at AA also spike the highest in about 3-5 years time. They'd better be ready for the increased numbers sooner than later.

It's not necessarily a direct ratio of pilots on seniority. It is capped at 25% of AAs new hires for the year. So at some point an increase in pilots on property doesn't equate to more flows.

It's Friday ... Big news?

Big news Friday. Everyone gets trolled.

I was accused of being their water boy for saying it was possible exactly as they projected. You can't argue with success.

Where's the announcement?

Next Friday

It was just announced this Friday that next Friday there will be an announcement to be announced the following Friday. Stay tuned folks, rumors are growing legs on multiple fronts, backs, and sides. Bigly. Tremendous. Are you tired of winning yet? You will be, just wait till next Friday!

Huge congrats to these new Captains!

Also, a big kudos to Skyvector for not letting the negative Nancy's get the upper hand here and keeping us all informed of the latest great news! This news is huge and rightly so. We now have SUB 2 year upgrades. Yes, I just said SUB.

A couple of years ago everyone scoffed when the Charlie Bucket 2.5/6 was introduced. Turns out it actually is better than projected. By the end of the year, maybe 1.5/5. Things are only looking up at Envoy. I'm guessing you guys on the fence about coming here a couple of years ago are kicking yourselves now. You could be a Captain now with less than 3 years to your seat at AA.

That's funny. I have been here three years and I have still not upgraded. No one below me has upgraded either.

ARE YOU SERIOUS???? You are actually saying in December we are likely to flow guys who have been at Envoy for 5 years????

You are so full of lies it's not even funny. No one who came here two years ago is a CA right now. Wait did I just get trolled or miss sarcasm??