E190 coming our way?
 

Just came from Recurrent/Probationary check ride and the word is
we will be getting AA E190. Instructor seemed positive.

Great News indeed!

I mean I realize this is a troll account I'm quoting, but scope doesn't allow this.

Moving on....

How the heck is that not a violation of AA's scope language?

You're pretty ignorant of history if you think this is great news. You're taking away your own mainline job.

It's like a train wreck, you just can't look away...

Terrible News indeed! Fixed it for you :cool:

Next you'll rejoice if they say 737, 757 etc to fly at Envoy for regional pay!

Yeah @ $55k/ year including signing bonus... Can't wait to see what concessions the Envoy pilot group gives so this will happen. Pay raises capped out at 4yr CA? 100% of healthcare paid by employee? flow reduced to 5% of all AA new hires?

Terrible idea.

Good Luck with that. APA is hell bent on defending Scope. On top of that, if the goal is to flow to AA as quickly as possible you want more aircraft and flying to go to AA then for more of it to come here. Why would you want to do anything that would move that carrot further away?

When the music stops (and it will) you want to be where you want be.

Yeah, I don't see how any pilot but Envoy lifers seeing this as a good idea AND, don't see it getting past scope either. If this is a real rumor, I suspect it was started by someone with little knowledge of various contract situations that heard AA wanted to unload the 190s and assumed a regional like Envoy made sense.

so do you have plans of changing your handle name to E190 Driver? I'm sure if you ever make it to American they will be more than happy to put you in the right seat of a E190 in PHL. You will feel right at home.

How many seats would we need to take out to make them scope compliant?

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It's a weight issue rather than a seat number issue. The newer 175 isn't within scope so the 190 definitely isn't.

If only I had a USD for every school house rumor that was DEFINITELY going to be true...this time ;D

still waiting on the ATR 72 600's that the schoolhouse said was a done deal...

Oh yea!!! APU and everything!!!

The two up front.

I think there is one small word missing from your statement:
"the word is we will be getting AA E190 SIMULATOR. Instructor seemed positive."

But otherwise your statement is probably mostly partly correct. At least the part about your Recurrent/Probationary check ride.

This is a game changer.

The E190 is a sweet plane, I'm willing to commute in order to fly the E190

The E190 gives you that competitive edge vs the E75, CRJ, EMB.
Remember, they need you more than you need them. Its a pilots market

E190 time weighs more than all three, CRJ, EMB, E75

Don't forget its the same type!

This has to be a violation of the Terms and Conditions, moderators.

E-175 you're joking right? There is no way you are that naive that you really want scope relaxed further so you can fly bigger planes at Envoy. Your flow time to AA would double. Legacy airlines don't care if you have E-145 time or E-175 time. They care about jet PIC and that's all. You give regional pilots a bad name and you are a risk to the airline pilot profession. PS, the 175 takes less skill to fly than a 145. Hopefully, if you ever click off the auto throttles early you don't pull an Asiana, but you probably will...:cool:

Yes, he's a troll.

Another ex envoy that regrets leaving seems like. :rolleyes:

Sure thing Johnny boy.

Nope, happily employed at a Legacy flying a wide body 8 days a month. I never wanted to fly for Eagle or American. Im just doing what I can to look out for scope. Do you realize that if American relaxes scope further(which won't happen because most pilots with any airline experience at all know how dumb that is), American will furlough 1000 pilots over-night? You would move backwards on the Envoy seniority list and flow time to American would go back up to 15 plus years again. Do you still think you're an American pilot? Haha! I hear flight instructors in the Envoy pipeline program are also American Airline pilots. After all, their paychecks say American and they get American flight benefits right? So what do you say 175, are you still an American Pilot? Lol!

Obviously either you are heavily trolling or just unimaginably uninformed about widely known topics such as scope at AA. We are all assuming you are a troll because it doesn't seem possible that somebody could be so stupid to believe that AA pilots would allow scope relief at this moment in time, and also stupid enough to think that further scope erosion would be anything but horrible news. I'm spelling this out for you on the very remote chance you are serious. Because it seems so stupid and pointless to troll this hard. And also ever since you posted that you thought senior lifers taking flow slots from more junior captains would result in more upgrades, I had the impression that just maybe you really are as dumb as you seemed. Trolling still seems more likely, but who knows, flat earth believers exist, maybe you actually believe what you post.

While I agree about scope, I think the comment about the 145 being harder is a tad incorrect. I think they each have their own hard/easy aspects. Moving thrust levers isn't hard and if you can't handle that by the time you are flying for an airline, well, enough said.

No one will furlough 1000 pilots overnight Gramps. Have you heard about the pilot shortage and retirements going on? Last I checked, my pay stub, my id, uniform are identical to AA's.

I will upgrade next year and be at AA the year after.

Not bad.

1- It's for much less money, and says ENVOY AIR INC. at the top
2- Also says ENVOY
3- The insignia are different, being the now generic American Eagle brand. But they are the same as Piedmont and PSA.

You were hired in April of last year, dipstick. So was I. There is no way in Hell you're flowing in 3 years. Even the recruiters aren't trying to sell that line of BS. My ID says Envoy at the bottom, just like yours. Grow a brain.

Scary to think someone as unaware as you is going to upgrade in a year. I guess I was bombing around in the left seat of a crj at 23. That was 2007, so, Gramps? Ok. I'll check back in two years and see you're still another 3 years away from flowing and that's if nothing bad happens i.e. Age 67, economic slowdown, etc. Things aren't always going to be as awesome as they have been the last 4 years. I am well aware of American's massive retirements. That is sick and I'm happy flow time is going to approach 5.5 years for some. You may have hit it just right! I'm also aware of American's huge debt and 15000 total pilots that are just now going live with pbs and the efficiencies of the merger that have yet to be realized. But yeah, nothing bad could ever slow down your flow. Keep drinking the company kool-aid. You might want to finish up that degree just in case...:cool:

That is a dangerous piece of ignorance to bank on. That's the most likely scenario for the near future, but I sure don't recommend you plan your career/finances with that assumption.

E190 coming our way?
 

Plan your career/finances at a regional like Envoy? Envoy has a 12th yr CA / 4th yr FO salary cap that is very very disturbing to me.
It seriously bothers me how Envoy pilot contract as a whole has no hedge of protection "when" things get sour. The bonuses will be the 1st to disappear when things get sour. Mediocre schedules, QOL at a 4yr FO / 12yr CA pay cap will remain. New bases, fleet growth, quick upgrade, and $22K first yr bonuses is never a hedge. Those can be stopped immediately at ANY MOMENT. AA and Envoy will kicking the can down the road until the next down turn, or this shortage subdues via lobbied law makers.

FLOW is not a financial or a viable career plan assumption. It provides no career protection because we are not AA pilots. Obviously "Flow plan" was great... until night before Sept 11th 2001. It was catching up nicely... until economic bubble burst in Sept 2008 (7yrs later).