Law of diminishing returns. Seems like the pilot hiring faucet is wide open but there are too many leaks in the bucket with people leaving. That's why envoy management must be very happy that out of the blue Aa decided to reduce hiring for the last 4 months of the year(1/3rd of a whole year people). Oh I forgot about the 80 guys in November. So 25 guys go that month. Less than 33% of the month. Nowhere near 50%. Put that in your calculations

Please don't tell me you're not making a career decision based on what an anonymous online poster told you. If you are..then maybe you should go to Mesa. They are known for hiring people with great judgment skills.

Yea downtown Ft Lauderdale. You?

Hahah no not even close. Like I said, Believe everyone but verify everything.

Well, just a few years ago we were 1000 pilots bigger than we are now. Of course, we were 95%+ of AA's feed back then and that will never happen again, and AA's scope is close to being maxed out. Our growth will taper off at some point. One would hope that at that point our flow will stop being metered, but that may just be wishful thinking.

It is.... filler

Remember when we used to fly the 145 between DFW and GSO? The leg back sometimes had to have a fuel stop in MEM. The crew typically consisted of a 58 year old grey haired Captain, a 8 year FO, and a granny FA who sometimes needed a wheel chair waiting for HER on the jetbridge. And about 200lbs worth of Jepp binders and kit bag stickers.

Those were some quaint times.

No dude! First off even if you don't think about flow, envoy has great pay, retention bonuses, upgrade is amazing, and the commuter policy with the hotels and the missed flights is a huge deal to me. And why shouldn't you think about flow? It's not like a hypothetical, it's a guarantee. And it will go down. None of the math these guys have been using takes into account attrition to other airlines, as retirement ramps up attrition will double or triple, that means faster flow. Hopefully you can get hired somewhere outside of flow, but if not, it's an incredible back up plan, and historically, spending 8 years at a regional before going to an legacy is CRAZY. There are a lot of guys on these forums who are very angry at the company, and some for good reason, if I'd been through what they had I'd probably be angry too. But it's a different time, in my short time at envoy the company has treated me wonderfully. Going beyond what they were obligated to do at almost every opportunity. Don't let their bad experience ruin what is an incredible opportunity.

I need some advice:

If you are in the middle of "relations" with a girl on an overnight, and you glance over at the clock and realize it's only 5 hours before your wake up call...is it bad form to fake an O and scurry back to your room? And would leaving an extra coffee packet from your room on her door the next morning as an "I'm sorry" gesture suffice?

I'm asking for a friend.

Just leave her the stirring stick so she would have something to remember you by. And if your really feeling generous leave the cream.