Airline Pilot Central Forums

Airline Pilot Central Forums (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/)
-   Envoy Airlines (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/envoy-airlines/)
-   -   Captain Displacements (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/envoy-airlines/109221-captain-displacements.html)

UNDGUY 11-09-2017 09:38 AM

Captain Displacements
 
Is it a for sure thing that anyone with 1000 hours of 121 will continue to get displaced on their first vacancy bid after training? Has it only happenned once so far or has this been going on for awhile? If you are a CRJ or 175 FO, will you still be displaced to 145 CA? What happens if you are displaced to 145 captain and fail the upgrade? I'm assuming if you are forcing people who don't want to upgrade that failure number has got to be higher than it would be otherwise. I'm all in on Envoy but I've been out of the cockpit for a while and I dont think I could jump right in to the left seat. Thanks

RawHide 11-09-2017 11:57 AM


Originally Posted by UNDGUY (Post 2463194)
Is it a for sure thing that anyone with 1000 hours of 121 will continue to get displaced on their first vacancy bid after training? Has it only happenned once so far or has this been going on for awhile? If you are a CRJ or 175 FO, will you still be displaced to 145 CA? What happens if you are displaced to 145 captain and fail the upgrade? I'm assuming if you are forcing people who don't want to upgrade that failure number has got to be higher than it would be otherwise. I'm all in on Envoy but I've been out of the cockpit for a while and I dont think I could jump right in to the left seat. Thanks

No guarantees, this only happened once so far. If not enough people bid for captain positions. (Some Choose not to, others don’t have the time). They can assign the most Jr pilots open vacancies. On the last bid DFW 145, and LGA 145 both went quite Jr.

moon 11-09-2017 12:33 PM


Originally Posted by UNDGUY (Post 2463194)
Is it a for sure thing that anyone with 1000 hours of 121 will continue to get displaced on their first vacancy bid after training? Has it only happenned once so far or has this been going on for awhile? If you are a CRJ or 175 FO, will you still be displaced to 145 CA? What happens if you are displaced to 145 captain and fail the upgrade? I'm assuming if you are forcing people who don't want to upgrade that failure number has got to be higher than it would be otherwise. I'm all in on Envoy but I've been out of the cockpit for a while and I dont think I could jump right in to the left seat. Thanks

It's not a gurantee that they will in the future, I'd wager they will until it hurts the recruiting...which it will at some point I'm sure. Hopefully they see the errors in their ways and incentivize upgrading by giving captains better pay rates. I hold out hope they will do the right thing, at some point, maybe.

E175 Driver 11-09-2017 02:50 PM


Originally Posted by UNDGUY (Post 2463194)
Is it a for sure thing that anyone with 1000 hours of 121 will continue to get displaced on their first vacancy bid after training? Has it only happenned once so far or has this been going on for awhile? If you are a CRJ or 175 FO, will you still be displaced to 145 CA? What happens if you are displaced to 145 captain and fail the upgrade? I'm assuming if you are forcing people who don't want to upgrade that failure number has got to be higher than it would be otherwise. I'm all in on Envoy but I've been out of the cockpit for a while and I dont think I could jump right in to the left seat. Thanks

Bud it aint rocket science. We have several Captains that clearly slipped through the cracks.

UNDGUY 11-09-2017 04:30 PM


Originally Posted by E175 Driver (Post 2463396)
Bud it aint rocket science. We have several Captains that clearly slipped through the cracks.

I'm aware of what it is. It would be a new airplane, new company, and my first time acting as a captain. I've spent enough time in the industry to understand the enormous responsibility it is to sit in the left seat. I'm sure I could get through the training, but that doesn't mean I'm ready to handle all the things that are required of a captain other than flying the airplane from point A to point B. I want to be confident that I am truly ready to be in command of an aircraft with 77 peoples lives in my hands on a daily basis.

E175 Driver 11-09-2017 04:59 PM


Originally Posted by UNDGUY (Post 2463429)
I'm aware of what it is. It would be a new airplane, new company, and my first time acting as a captain. I've spent enough time in the industry to understand the enormous responsibility it is to sit in the left seat. I'm sure I could get through the training, but that doesn't mean I'm ready to handle all the things that are required of a captain other than flying the airplane from point A to point B. I want to be confident that I am truly ready to be in command of an aircraft with 77 peoples lives in my hands on a daily basis.

Give me a break. Ask about the flow-back program. AA pilots flowed back here straight to the left seat, New company, new airplane, many of them first time captain.

If you doubt yourself, you shouldn't be behind the controls of any airplane.:roll eyes:

Should've gone to Riddle instead.

MD-11Loader 11-09-2017 06:16 PM


Originally Posted by E175 Driver (Post 2463446)
Give me a break. Ask about the flow-back program. AA pilots flowed back here straight to the left seat, New company, new airplane, many of them first time captain.

If you doubt yourself, you shouldn't be behind the controls of any airplane.:roll eyes:

Should've gone to Riddle instead.

Many I can’t wait til you flow and they wash you out. Douche.

f16jetmech 11-09-2017 06:25 PM


Originally Posted by E175 Driver (Post 2463446)
Give me a break. Ask about the flow-back program. AA pilots flowed back here straight to the left seat, New company, new airplane, many of them first time captain.

If you doubt yourself, you shouldn't be behind the controls of any airplane.:roll eyes:

Should've gone to Riddle instead.

Why do you post here? You just that miserable? You must not have many friends.

criticalaoa 11-09-2017 07:11 PM


Originally Posted by E175 Driver (Post 2463446)
Give me a break. Ask about the flow-back program. AA pilots flowed back here straight to the left seat, New company, new airplane, many of them first time captain.

If you doubt yourself, you shouldn't be behind the controls of any airplane.:roll eyes:

Should've gone to Riddle instead.

Dude you’re a piece of $h1t. I bet you’re mom wanted to abort you the second you popped out of her vagina. Scum... I hope you go to Mexico and some señorita gives you herpes...speaking about flowback... how about you flowback into your moms vagina ****er.

ORDinary 11-09-2017 07:13 PM


Originally Posted by E175 Driver (Post 2463446)
Give me a break. Ask about the flow-back program. AA pilots flowed back here straight to the left seat, New company, new airplane, many of them first time captain.

If you doubt yourself, you shouldn't be behind the controls of any airplane.:roll eyes:

Should've gone to Riddle instead.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...hs-and-sadists

Paid2fly 11-09-2017 07:57 PM


Originally Posted by E175 Driver (Post 2463396)
Bud it aint rocket science. We have several Captains that clearly slipped through the cracks.











So, you're saying they actually let you upgrade?:confused::eek:

WhiskeyDelta 11-10-2017 02:22 AM


Originally Posted by E175 Driver (Post 2463446)
Give me a break. Ask about the flow-back program. AA pilots flowed back here straight to the left seat, New company, new airplane, many of them first time captain.

If you doubt yourself, you shouldn't be behind the controls of any airplane.:roll eyes:

Should've gone to Riddle instead.



Overconfidence is just as bad, if not worse, than underconfidence. Riddle ain’t all it’s cracked up to be considering many other pilots are in the same place as you without it having cost them north of $200k. Regardless of who actually paid for your college, they/you paid for the name not a quality education.

Bigpimppilot 11-10-2017 05:54 AM

I think I’m most ticked off that he claims he went to riddle just to troll us but in reality he didn’t. What a tool

E175 Driver 11-10-2017 06:04 AM

Bunch of haters I see. We should be focusing on why the company is violating the flow and why Alpa hasn't done a thing besides filing a grievance.

E175 Driver 11-10-2017 06:07 AM


Originally Posted by WhiskeyDelta (Post 2463572)
Overconfidence is just as bad, if not worse, than underconfidence. Riddle ain’t all it’s cracked up to be considering many other pilots are in the same place as you without it having cost them north of $200k. Regardless of who actually paid for your college, they/you paid for the name not a quality education.

I disagree. Tell me who got the better odds of getting hired at the big 3.

1. The ERAU alum with a college degree or

2. The All ATP pilot with some online Jr college "degree".

Bob Loblaw 11-10-2017 06:11 AM


Originally Posted by E175 Driver (Post 2463664)
I disagree. Tell me who got the better odds of getting hired at the big 3.

1. The ERAU alum with a college degree or

2. The All ATP pilot with some online Jr college "degree".


To rephrase your question, who has a better chance at getting hired at a major; someone with a bachelor's degree or someone with an associate's degree? Since a 4 year degree is required, ERAU only wins by default.

Dynasty22 11-10-2017 12:11 PM


Originally Posted by E175 Driver (Post 2463664)
I disagree. Tell me who got the better odds of getting hired at the big 3.

1. The ERAU alum with a college degree or

2. The All ATP pilot with some online Jr college "degree".

This dude ain’t ever going to stop with this Riddle is best crap. Not everybody can afford to have mom and dad pay for an aviation degree.

Bigpimppilot 11-10-2017 12:33 PM

most moms and dads can’t afford riddle these days. The rich parents out there don’t let kids go to riddle for a small return on investment. It doesn’t matter. This guy obviously never went to riddle. He’s just pushing your buttons and distracting you.

Cujo665 11-16-2017 04:31 AM


Originally Posted by E175 Driver (Post 2463446)
Give me a break. Ask about the flow-back program. AA pilots flowed back here straight to the left seat, New company, new airplane, many of them first time captain.

If you doubt yourself, you shouldn't be behind the controls of any airplane.:roll eyes:

Should've gone to Riddle instead.

terrible attitude

SilentLurker 11-16-2017 06:32 AM

Captain Displacements
 

Originally Posted by Bigpimppilot (Post 2463914)
most moms and dads can’t afford riddle these days. The rich parents out there don’t let kids go to riddle for a small return on investment. It doesn’t matter. This guy obviously never went to riddle. He’s just pushing your buttons and distracting you.



I agree, few times this year jumpseat conversation turns to CA/FO kids in college or about to attend within a yr. Embry Riddle is on the forbidden schools list. The flight program is money down the drain. That's the consensus for a piece of paper that doesn't say: Harvard, Yale, Dartmouth, or Columbia.

Bucknut 11-16-2017 06:34 AM

RE:The Ridle Attitude
 
I have several buddies that gave me crap for not taking all my flight courses at ERAU. I could not afford it and it took forever due to the ineptitude of the flight program. The flight program seemed to only let students fly if the weather was perfect and it took forever to get a license there. I hated the prevalent cocky attitude there but attitudes like that always come back to bite one in the butt. I later flight instructed with many of those same people and they did not know crap about pt 61 and were afraid to fly in any type of weather. I have to give credit to the post above about getting experience at the Airline before upgrading. It is called a healthy respect for the responsibilities at hand. That Riddle attitude is a cancer and they still believe there is a pilot shortage. It is a ERAU marketing ploy. I do have to give credit to many of my professors there because the academic portion was great, the flight portion of it was screwed up in many ways with a lot of inbreeding that just wanted to make me puke.

chignutsak 11-16-2017 07:32 AM

Riddlers (those who actually went brick and mortar) are some of the cockiest SOBs I've ever had the displeasure to fly with. I'm not really sure where the attitude comes from. Stick and rudder wise they are no better or worse than any other background.

Purpleanga 11-16-2017 08:08 AM


Originally Posted by chignutsak (Post 2467218)
Riddlers (those who actually went brick and mortar) are some of the cockiest SOBs I've ever had the displeasure to fly with. I'm not really sure where the attitude comes from. Stick and rudder wise they are no better or worse than any other background.

Well you asked so I'll tell you. Because that school only attracts one kind of person. they're actually nerds. But not like those innocent nerds you think of, these are nerds that have been told they're better than anyone else because they're paying 100k for an education. They're entitled nerds. Worst is the female didlers, good luck with that. Not only does the above apply for them but with the high guy to girl ratio there they're beyond hope of being humble.

Bigpimppilot 11-16-2017 09:05 AM

I’m sure it’s way more than 100k. Any difference between the two brick and mortar campuses

E175 Driver 11-16-2017 09:57 AM

Haters gonna hate.

Never Fails!

Bucknut 11-16-2017 05:39 PM

Re:Riddle
 
I would not label all of then nerds. There are many probably half of students there are prior military that finish college work after attending extended campus around the world. These guys and ladies are a different breed than the puke that has mom and dad pay for school.

chignutsak 11-18-2017 06:16 AM


Originally Posted by Bucknut (Post 2467629)
I would not label all of then nerds. There are many probably half of students there are prior military that finish college work after attending extended campus around the world. These guys and ladies are a different breed than the puke that has mom and dad pay for school.

Agreed. I’ve taken worldwide courses online myself - I was referring to alumni who were denizens of the actual campuses and feel royally entitled to something.


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 08:21 AM.


Website Copyright © 2026 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands