Lateral Moves
 

I am seeking opinions from this group as I am thinking about the lateral move. Current 121 non wholly owned two years in, 1.5 yrs till upgrade. Do not have a college degree. Live within driving distance to MIA. I've read and understood the reserve for life scenario as a displaced CA. Is it worth the move? Most junior CA in MIA? MIA growth? Training Pay? Time from class date to xride? Anything I or anyone else in my position should think about? I appreciate any info

1) get a degree so you don’t have to rely on flow. Just do some easy (in state) online program... the majors don’t care what your degree is, they care that you have one.

2) Most Junior CA in MIA is March 13, 2017 new hire (he was displaced, or proffered to displace most likely) Most junior MIA FO is July 17, 2017.

3) it’s up to you to decide if it’s worth the move, reserve time is getting longer in MIA because we haven’t seen much growth there since the opening of the base back in SEPTEMBER 17’. However, everywhere in then company things are moving and you will live in base it sounds like. So reserve may not be so bad. Mia is also supposed to be built up from the current 37 lines to 58 lines by JUNe...so says the company...

4) training pay is 64hours a month at a pay rate of 37.90 an hour. Plus rolling per diem until you pass your checkride (1.85 per hour, 24hrs a day 7days a week), because of the rolling per diem, you will actually take a slight pay cut once you pass training.

5) training is taking anywhere from 3 to 6months, I would plan on getting some time off during training for delays with the training department, of course all paid and YES the company leaves the rolling per diem on even if you go home. <<<which is awesome!

6) things to consider...

A) if you work at Mesa, expressjet or gojets, YES jump ship

B) get a degree...it’s not that hard...trust me...

C) make sure you know you will be stuck in Chicago or nyc on reserve and then possibly holding a line before you can go to Miami, so you will need a crash pad. MIA and DFW will not be offered to new hires for the foreseeable future.

D) commuting in or out of Miami from anywhere is one of the toughest commutes in the airline industry, so if you have to commute to Chicago or nyc from mia, consider that.

E) if you think you can handle the above to items, consider Chicago over nyc until you can hold Mia, you will spend a lot of money on food, crashpads, etc. on the road and Chicago is slightly cheaper than nyc.

F) you can make more money at Endeavor and their commuter policy allows one missed flight and then ur second flight is positive space. You can get their Atlanta base and make more money and commute there. You would just have to get that degree we talked about to be able to leave there.

Hope this all helps!

Your advise sounds solid. I’m glad I read this thread.

It really is good advice. More people should read this.

As for Delta: which college, when you attended and how long it took to graduate way heavily on getting in or not. If you get a degree later in life from a no-name college, take Delta off the list.

Yep, he said it all. Totally agree

Per Diem

Not enough of a reason to change your decision, but per diem during training this spring was 16 hours a day, not 24.

Yes you are correct! My mistake...I wrote this half asleep at night. Haha thank you! Also the guy that said delta wants a non-useless degree and wants it to be completed in 4 years, that is correct as well. So if you do pursue a degree...get something other than a culinary degree etc. and get it done in 4years or less. There’s still lots of easy/useful degrees out there and they have dumbed a lot of stuff down now a days with my fellow lazy millennials coming up through the ranks. (Not proud of them haha but it’s true)

All in the name of truth in advertising. Good post.

About that degree. Does it have to be a Bachelors? I have an Associate degree in non aviation. I'd prefer to not have to lump online college courses in my life to get into a mainline. But if I have to.......

Depends on the airline. I think Delta requires the bachelors degree. But even if not required, most it is preferred. It is one more distinguishing factor and has some value assigned to it by the system that each airline uses to select someone for an interview. An associate degree is better than none or even sixty credits but no degree. It is probably less critical than in the past, but I have always told anyone who has asked me about a flying career to get their degree first in something they could live with if they can’t fly some day. It will help you get the job with a major and also a blan B. Today everyone is hiring. One never knows what will happen overnight from personal life to world events.

Only if you want to get to a Legacy, UPS/Fedex, or SWA.

Man that stinks. When I got the degree I didn't have plans to be a pilot. I'd sure hate to go to a regional and then not be able to get into a Major because of that. I've been looking at Endeavor, but that could not me out of getting into Delta down the road. I guess Envoy with flow is my best option.

Be careful; flow will not be anytime soon for a new hire. They had been selling new hires on a 6 year flow; at this point it won't be less than 9 years for a new hire. However, currently the flow is at 12 years ('06 hires), and 12 years is the fastest it has ever been so far.

If you need that 4 year degree, just do it online while working for a regional. At least that will theoretically give you more options.

These are my personal opinions and not the opinions of any entity or employer.

Yep, if you're goal is a legacy without getting a 4 year degree, then flow is probably going to be your only option. But as others have stated, it will take quite some time waiting on the flow. And even with EDV, you have to meet Delta's minimum hiring requirements (4 year degree) to be considered for the guaranteed interview. But also keep in mind there are plenty of decent places to go without a 4 year degree- Jet Blue, Frontier, etc...

Honestly, if I didn't have a four year degree and was dead set on not getting one, this would be my target. Not flow.

I only had 2 years of college when I started at my first regional. I finished my 4 year degree online last year.
I got a years worth of credits (30 hrs) for all of my certificates and ratings. that left me needing just 30 hours which I was able to complete in 2, 90 day terms. I was taking a full course load, and it was a ton of work, but was able to knock it out. It can be done and will help your chances of advancement later on.

What school and would you recommend it?

ERAU. The best there is, no doubt about it.

Thomas Edison State University. Worked very well for me.

The flow is only as good as the next contract. Look for American to add a interview requirement. Get the degree!

If AA puts in a interview requirement you might as well go to endeavor and enjoy life while waiting on the interview for delta

Barring some high profile accident involving a flow pilot, this isn't going to happen. Gotta feed the beast.

There, FIFY

You get what you pay for in the end my friend.

They are expensive for someone who isn’t already a pilot ,but at least they take all of someone’s flight time and essentially hand them an associate degree. If you look at it that way they are affordable.

Surely there’s no bias about ERAU?

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Entitled prima donnas?:confused:

Good aviators that get respected through the industry my friend.

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I'm curious, do you start a trip off with your ERAU lanyard on and tell everyone you graduated with a 3.0 with 200K in debt? Also, how was that quality training in your FADEC twin star and G1000 Skyhawk? Do you think that makes superior aviators, you know the kind that can't fly a visual without an Auto Pilot, ILS, and FD..

Those skills are going to help you when you get DISP into the 145 on the next bid.

Generalizations don’t help anything. I have been a pilot for 20 years with ratings in both fixed wing and rotorcraft. If I went to embry riddle to finish up my bachelor degree would that mean I can’t fly a visual?

I could nit pick any college and while ER often makes it easy due to the behavior of some, that is a small sample size. Don’t forget a very large portion of their student body attends remotely.

It was intended to be a joke to a troll. Don’t take offense, I went to riddle myself. However I did not want to learn in all glass aircraft, so I did my flight training outside of riddle.


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Understood and no offense taken.