Lateral Moves
12-27-2017 | 10:30 PM
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Lateral Moves
I am seeking opinions from this group as I am thinking about the lateral move. Current 121 non wholly owned two years in, 1.5 yrs till upgrade. Do not have a college degree. Live within driving distance to MIA. I've read and understood the reserve for life scenario as a displaced CA. Is it worth the move? Most junior CA in MIA? MIA growth? Training Pay? Time from class date to xride? Anything I or anyone else in my position should think about? I appreciate any info
12-28-2017 | 01:33 AM
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I am seeking opinions from this group as I am thinking about the lateral move. Current 121 non wholly owned two years in, 1.5 yrs till upgrade. Do not have a college degree. Live within driving distance to MIA. I've read and understood the reserve for life scenario as a displaced CA. Is it worth the move? Most junior CA in MIA? MIA growth? Training Pay? Time from class date to xride? Anything I or anyone else in my position should think about? I appreciate any info
2) Most Junior CA in MIA is March 13, 2017 new hire (he was displaced, or proffered to displace most likely) Most junior MIA FO is July 17, 2017.
3) it’s up to you to decide if it’s worth the move, reserve time is getting longer in MIA because we haven’t seen much growth there since the opening of the base back in SEPTEMBER 17’. However, everywhere in then company things are moving and you will live in base it sounds like. So reserve may not be so bad. Mia is also supposed to be built up from the current 37 lines to 58 lines by JUNe...so says the company...
4) training pay is 64hours a month at a pay rate of 37.90 an hour. Plus rolling per diem until you pass your checkride (1.85 per hour, 24hrs a day 7days a week), because of the rolling per diem, you will actually take a slight pay cut once you pass training.
5) training is taking anywhere from 3 to 6months, I would plan on getting some time off during training for delays with the training department, of course all paid and YES the company leaves the rolling per diem on even if you go home. <<<which is awesome!
6) things to consider...
A) if you work at Mesa, expressjet or gojets, YES jump ship
B) get a degree...it’s not that hard...trust me...
C) make sure you know you will be stuck in Chicago or nyc on reserve and then possibly holding a line before you can go to Miami, so you will need a crash pad. MIA and DFW will not be offered to new hires for the foreseeable future.
D) commuting in or out of Miami from anywhere is one of the toughest commutes in the airline industry, so if you have to commute to Chicago or nyc from mia, consider that.
E) if you think you can handle the above to items, consider Chicago over nyc until you can hold Mia, you will spend a lot of money on food, crashpads, etc. on the road and Chicago is slightly cheaper than nyc.
F) you can make more money at Endeavor and their commuter policy allows one missed flight and then ur second flight is positive space. You can get their Atlanta base and make more money and commute there. You would just have to get that degree we talked about to be able to leave there.
Hope this all helps!
12-28-2017 | 07:18 AM
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1) get a degree so you don’t have to rely on flow. Just do some easy (in state) online program... the majors don’t care what your degree is, they care that you have one.
2) Most Junior CA in MIA is March 13, 2017 new hire (he was displaced, or proffered to displace most likely) Most junior MIA FO is July 17, 2017.
3) it’s up to you to decide if it’s worth the move, reserve time is getting longer in MIA because we haven’t seen much growth there since the opening of the base back in SEPTEMBER 17’. However, everywhere in then company things are moving and you will live in base it sounds like. So reserve may not be so bad. Mia is also supposed to be built up from the current 37 lines to 58 lines by JUNe...so says the company...
4) training pay is 64hours a month at a pay rate of 37.90 an hour. Plus rolling per diem until you pass your checkride (1.85 per hour, 24hrs a day 7days a week), because of the rolling per diem, you will actually take a slight pay cut once you pass training.
5) training is taking anywhere from 3 to 6months, I would plan on getting some time off during training for delays with the training department, of course all paid and YES the company leaves the rolling per diem on even if you go home. <<<which is awesome!
6) things to consider...
A) if you work at Mesa, expressjet or gojets, YES jump ship
B) get a degree...it’s not that hard...trust me...
C) make sure you know you will be stuck in Chicago or nyc on reserve and then possibly holding a line before you can go to Miami, so you will need a crash pad. MIA and DFW will not be offered to new hires for the foreseeable future.
D) commuting in or out of Miami from anywhere is one of the toughest commutes in the airline industry, so if you have to commute to Chicago or nyc from mia, consider that.
E) if you think you can handle the above to items, consider Chicago over nyc until you can hold Mia, you will spend a lot of money on food, crashpads, etc. on the road and Chicago is slightly cheaper than nyc.
F) you can make more money at Endeavor and their commuter policy allows one missed flight and then ur second flight is positive space. You can get their Atlanta base and make more money and commute there. You would just have to get that degree we talked about to be able to leave there.
Hope this all helps!
2) Most Junior CA in MIA is March 13, 2017 new hire (he was displaced, or proffered to displace most likely) Most junior MIA FO is July 17, 2017.
3) it’s up to you to decide if it’s worth the move, reserve time is getting longer in MIA because we haven’t seen much growth there since the opening of the base back in SEPTEMBER 17’. However, everywhere in then company things are moving and you will live in base it sounds like. So reserve may not be so bad. Mia is also supposed to be built up from the current 37 lines to 58 lines by JUNe...so says the company...
4) training pay is 64hours a month at a pay rate of 37.90 an hour. Plus rolling per diem until you pass your checkride (1.85 per hour, 24hrs a day 7days a week), because of the rolling per diem, you will actually take a slight pay cut once you pass training.
5) training is taking anywhere from 3 to 6months, I would plan on getting some time off during training for delays with the training department, of course all paid and YES the company leaves the rolling per diem on even if you go home. <<<which is awesome!
6) things to consider...
A) if you work at Mesa, expressjet or gojets, YES jump ship
B) get a degree...it’s not that hard...trust me...
C) make sure you know you will be stuck in Chicago or nyc on reserve and then possibly holding a line before you can go to Miami, so you will need a crash pad. MIA and DFW will not be offered to new hires for the foreseeable future.
D) commuting in or out of Miami from anywhere is one of the toughest commutes in the airline industry, so if you have to commute to Chicago or nyc from mia, consider that.
E) if you think you can handle the above to items, consider Chicago over nyc until you can hold Mia, you will spend a lot of money on food, crashpads, etc. on the road and Chicago is slightly cheaper than nyc.
F) you can make more money at Endeavor and their commuter policy allows one missed flight and then ur second flight is positive space. You can get their Atlanta base and make more money and commute there. You would just have to get that degree we talked about to be able to leave there.
Hope this all helps!
12-28-2017 | 02:54 PM
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1) get a degree so you don’t have to rely on flow. Just do some easy (in state) online program... the majors don’t care what your degree is, they care that you have one.
2) Most Junior CA in MIA is March 13, 2017 new hire (he was displaced, or proffered to displace most likely) Most junior MIA FO is July 17, 2017.
3) it’s up to you to decide if it’s worth the move, reserve time is getting longer in MIA because we haven’t seen much growth there since the opening of the base back in SEPTEMBER 17’. However, everywhere in then company things are moving and you will live in base it sounds like. So reserve may not be so bad. Mia is also supposed to be built up from the current 37 lines to 58 lines by JUNe...so says the company...
4) training pay is 64hours a month at a pay rate of 37.90 an hour. Plus rolling per diem until you pass your checkride (1.85 per hour, 24hrs a day 7days a week), because of the rolling per diem, you will actually take a slight pay cut once you pass training.
5) training is taking anywhere from 3 to 6months, I would plan on getting some time off during training for delays with the training department, of course all paid and YES the company leaves the rolling per diem on even if you go home. <<<which is awesome!
6) things to consider...
A) if you work at Mesa, expressjet or gojets, YES jump ship
B) get a degree...it’s not that hard...trust me...
C) make sure you know you will be stuck in Chicago or nyc on reserve and then possibly holding a line before you can go to Miami, so you will need a crash pad. MIA and DFW will not be offered to new hires for the foreseeable future.
D) commuting in or out of Miami from anywhere is one of the toughest commutes in the airline industry, so if you have to commute to Chicago or nyc from mia, consider that.
E) if you think you can handle the above to items, consider Chicago over nyc until you can hold Mia, you will spend a lot of money on food, crashpads, etc. on the road and Chicago is slightly cheaper than nyc.
F) you can make more money at Endeavor and their commuter policy allows one missed flight and then ur second flight is positive space. You can get their Atlanta base and make more money and commute there. You would just have to get that degree we talked about to be able to leave there.
Hope this all helps!
2) Most Junior CA in MIA is March 13, 2017 new hire (he was displaced, or proffered to displace most likely) Most junior MIA FO is July 17, 2017.
3) it’s up to you to decide if it’s worth the move, reserve time is getting longer in MIA because we haven’t seen much growth there since the opening of the base back in SEPTEMBER 17’. However, everywhere in then company things are moving and you will live in base it sounds like. So reserve may not be so bad. Mia is also supposed to be built up from the current 37 lines to 58 lines by JUNe...so says the company...
4) training pay is 64hours a month at a pay rate of 37.90 an hour. Plus rolling per diem until you pass your checkride (1.85 per hour, 24hrs a day 7days a week), because of the rolling per diem, you will actually take a slight pay cut once you pass training.
5) training is taking anywhere from 3 to 6months, I would plan on getting some time off during training for delays with the training department, of course all paid and YES the company leaves the rolling per diem on even if you go home. <<<which is awesome!
6) things to consider...
A) if you work at Mesa, expressjet or gojets, YES jump ship
B) get a degree...it’s not that hard...trust me...
C) make sure you know you will be stuck in Chicago or nyc on reserve and then possibly holding a line before you can go to Miami, so you will need a crash pad. MIA and DFW will not be offered to new hires for the foreseeable future.
D) commuting in or out of Miami from anywhere is one of the toughest commutes in the airline industry, so if you have to commute to Chicago or nyc from mia, consider that.
E) if you think you can handle the above to items, consider Chicago over nyc until you can hold Mia, you will spend a lot of money on food, crashpads, etc. on the road and Chicago is slightly cheaper than nyc.
F) you can make more money at Endeavor and their commuter policy allows one missed flight and then ur second flight is positive space. You can get their Atlanta base and make more money and commute there. You would just have to get that degree we talked about to be able to leave there.
Hope this all helps!
12-28-2017 | 04:20 PM
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1) get a degree so you don’t have to rely on flow. Just do some easy (in state) online program... the majors don’t care what your degree is, they care that you have one.
2) Most Junior CA in MIA is March 13, 2017 new hire (he was displaced, or proffered to displace most likely) Most junior MIA FO is July 17, 2017.
3) it’s up to you to decide if it’s worth the move, reserve time is getting longer in MIA because we haven’t seen much growth there since the opening of the base back in SEPTEMBER 17’. However, everywhere in then company things are moving and you will live in base it sounds like. So reserve may not be so bad. Mia is also supposed to be built up from the current 37 lines to 58 lines by JUNe...so says the company...
4) training pay is 64hours a month at a pay rate of 37.90 an hour. Plus rolling per diem until you pass your checkride (1.85 per hour, 24hrs a day 7days a week), because of the rolling per diem, you will actually take a slight pay cut once you pass training.
5) training is taking anywhere from 3 to 6months, I would plan on getting some time off during training for delays with the training department, of course all paid and YES the company leaves the rolling per diem on even if you go home. <<<which is awesome!
6) things to consider...
A) if you work at Mesa, expressjet or gojets, YES jump ship
B) get a degree...it’s not that hard...trust me...
C) make sure you know you will be stuck in Chicago or nyc on reserve and then possibly holding a line before you can go to Miami, so you will need a crash pad. MIA and DFW will not be offered to new hires for the foreseeable future.
D) commuting in or out of Miami from anywhere is one of the toughest commutes in the airline industry, so if you have to commute to Chicago or nyc from mia, consider that.
E) if you think you can handle the above to items, consider Chicago over nyc until you can hold Mia, you will spend a lot of money on food, crashpads, etc. on the road and Chicago is slightly cheaper than nyc.
F) you can make more money at Endeavor and their commuter policy allows one missed flight and then ur second flight is positive space. You can get their Atlanta base and make more money and commute there. You would just have to get that degree we talked about to be able to leave there.
Hope this all helps!
2) Most Junior CA in MIA is March 13, 2017 new hire (he was displaced, or proffered to displace most likely) Most junior MIA FO is July 17, 2017.
3) it’s up to you to decide if it’s worth the move, reserve time is getting longer in MIA because we haven’t seen much growth there since the opening of the base back in SEPTEMBER 17’. However, everywhere in then company things are moving and you will live in base it sounds like. So reserve may not be so bad. Mia is also supposed to be built up from the current 37 lines to 58 lines by JUNe...so says the company...
4) training pay is 64hours a month at a pay rate of 37.90 an hour. Plus rolling per diem until you pass your checkride (1.85 per hour, 24hrs a day 7days a week), because of the rolling per diem, you will actually take a slight pay cut once you pass training.
5) training is taking anywhere from 3 to 6months, I would plan on getting some time off during training for delays with the training department, of course all paid and YES the company leaves the rolling per diem on even if you go home. <<<which is awesome!
6) things to consider...
A) if you work at Mesa, expressjet or gojets, YES jump ship
B) get a degree...it’s not that hard...trust me...
C) make sure you know you will be stuck in Chicago or nyc on reserve and then possibly holding a line before you can go to Miami, so you will need a crash pad. MIA and DFW will not be offered to new hires for the foreseeable future.
D) commuting in or out of Miami from anywhere is one of the toughest commutes in the airline industry, so if you have to commute to Chicago or nyc from mia, consider that.
E) if you think you can handle the above to items, consider Chicago over nyc until you can hold Mia, you will spend a lot of money on food, crashpads, etc. on the road and Chicago is slightly cheaper than nyc.
F) you can make more money at Endeavor and their commuter policy allows one missed flight and then ur second flight is positive space. You can get their Atlanta base and make more money and commute there. You would just have to get that degree we talked about to be able to leave there.
Hope this all helps!
Not enough of a reason to change your decision, but per diem during training this spring was 16 hours a day, not 24.
12-28-2017 | 05:38 PM
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Yes you are correct! My mistake...I wrote this half asleep at night. Haha thank you! Also the guy that said delta wants a non-useless degree and wants it to be completed in 4 years, that is correct as well. So if you do pursue a degree...get something other than a culinary degree etc. and get it done in 4years or less. There’s still lots of easy/useful degrees out there and they have dumbed a lot of stuff down now a days with my fellow lazy millennials coming up through the ranks. (Not proud of them haha but it’s true)
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