Got the CRJ, not what I wanted
 

Hello, so I was expecting to get something else since I know the CRJ is slowing going to PSA. What is my reserve time? What do you guys think? Not the happiest at the moment.

Got the CRJ, not what I wanted
 

Could be worse my friend. You could be forced to the left seat in LGA and forever junior and enjoy the line as a junior captain who gets no union protection. What’s a line like??? Forced upgrade guys will be lucky to get more then 2 days off in a row.. a line is a pipe dream for at least the next year or two for us.

Keep the blue side up man, enjoy the airplane and the ORD crew room!




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Sniffs sniffs. Wipes away a tear.

I was in a similar/ worse situation. I was In the second to last new hire class ever for the ATR’s. It’s not great being on a dieing fleet but you should have known that was a possibility so only One to be unhappy with is yourself. Suck it up and deal with it for a year or go to a different airline.

But at least you got to stand by the model 175 at the schoolhouse and take a picture for facebook in your AA polo with your AA lanyard. Doesn't that make you feel special enough?

You’re not going to find any sympathy. You got a big check to go to the CRJ. The vast majority of the people before you got nothing. Just embrace training, prepare for the time when you get displaced, and have your displacement bid in so that you hopefully get the aircraft and base that you want when it happens.

I’m sorry you are not happy in the aircraft. I am a CRJ driver it’s not bad at all. You will be on reserve for ever. You will be the bottom of the bottom for ever. Your life will be missarable. You will get to know crew scheduling well and you will hate them and they hate you. You’re going to be sitting standby for everyday your on duty. Good luck. They sell tear whipping napkins at the end of terminal Z. Good luck and welcome to Envoy.

Were you a high value aviator? Either way, not anymore because you’re signed :)

I'd be thrilled to get the CRJ because of what I've been led to believe about Envoy's displacement rules. That, and they'll never have CRJs in LGA.

I'm sorry for the general lack of sympathy, and I'm sorry this happened to you. It's gonna be 4-6 months of reserve, probably no critical coverage ever, you will probably not get displaced off the ship before you upgrade, at which time you can pick a different plane hopefully. ORD only, even if other bases open, CRJ won't go there.
If you and your family can live with that then make the most of it. If you can't, leave immediately, tell then it's because of the CRJ, return your bonus, and try again. If it doesn't work for family reasons, like you live in Dallas, and the wife is not up for a long term commuter lifestyle just explain that with your resignation. Hopefully it won't effect your future chances at AA but I don't know for sure.

Is there much OT available on the CRJ for FO’s?

If you live in base (or can at least drive within the 2 hour callout) it’s not a bad deal given the current environment with forced upgrades to LGA (assuming you don’t want LGA).

Something tells me the OP won't be returning to this thread. LOL! Probably trolling.

Dude I’m sorry but why are you making a new thread about this. There’s many that get screwed but they don’t make new topics on the internets. You’re not that special, at all. What do you want us to tell you? Just leave if you don’t want to be on reserve.

Actually, there usually ends up being a good amount of OT for OFC (albeit, not normally worth very much) and we are back to critical coverage again this month.

That's good news.
I've been told the upper half of the OFC seniority list is getting significantly lighter due to the CA displacements. If that's the case, there should be some hiring in the upcoming classes and respective movement up.

Yep, for sure movement in that area. I noticed a gain of ~10 spots between last month's bid and this upcoming.

But losing lines/planes won’t help.

Also true. Got to be frustrating for those guys about 2/3 the way down the list. They keep chasing a line to the top. Gain a few spots one month, lose a few lines the next.

Hey there. Fellow Envoy guy here, I’m not sure why everyone is eating their own. You have every right to be upset that you got the crj. The chances of you getting the crj were slim, so I don’t blame you for still trying to come to Envoy. However, unfortunately that’s the way the dice fell.

I have ZERO sympathy for all the pilots on this thread that continue to complain about how bad they had it a few years back and that you should just suck it up because they had it way worse. Right now it’s a pilots industry, everyone has the ability to get what they want in some way. We aren’t living in 2010 anymore.

I would recommend you return your bonus, interview with Endeavor or another whollyown and get the aircraft and base you want. Family first / QOL first over all. Most interviewees at any airline right now can get a class date very quick, a few weeks extra of your life transitioning to an airline that will provide what you want is worth it.

Otherwise you will be stuck on a dying fleet at the rear end of the reserve list under our bad reserve rules.

There’s no shame in respectfully leaving and choosing your family’s interests over all others. No shame at all.

Good luck to you sir.

Lmaooooooooooooooo

Lol I could just see him trying to answer the question “so why did you leave Envoy after 1 week?”

Sorry you get to fly the best airplane in the fleet for a little bit... :(

Is this a base issue or a plane issue? I could see getting angry living in one base and getting sent to another. But a plane.... c’mon now.

SJS, Gen 4

I hear American (Flyers) is hiring.

Yea for real though, I disagree with the suggestion that you return your bonus and leave. You will likely end up regretting that when you have to explain why you left in the first phase of training. You’re on the books and it’s on your PRIA forever. Future employers will see it and will ask about it. I know I would not hire a pilot that’s willing to quit because things don’t come down their way in the drop. That’s something to think about. If you’re just mad because you don’t want to fly the CRJ, I truly have zero sympathy. If you’re upset because you want nothing to do with Chicago or commuting, I can understand where you’re coming from and suggest that you do everything you can to make your time there the most bearable it can be.

While the market has certainly changed in the last few years, there is certainly something to be said about following though with your commitments. Do you want your resume to tell the reader that you can grin and bear it on an assignment you don’t like or would you rather it tell a story of someone who flakes out when things don’t turn out the way you wanted them to.

Hang out for 24 months, learn a thing or two, build your contacts, research options, put the bonus into an investment account or towards something worthwhile and leave when you truly have better options and nobody has anything they can hold over you for it. There will always be better deals out there and in two years they may even be better yet.

But you do you...

PRIA is only for 5 years not forever. Just only on your resume if you choose to put in on there would be forever.

Ok so yea I stand corrected on that, but 5 years is still a long time. He would have to deal with it wherever he goes next and then after he gets unhappy there he’d have to deal with both at the next place and so on...

I wasn’t busting balls just clarifying

You need a drug test asap.

If you’re really that unhappy about it, you might want to rethink your chosen profession Snowflake. Suck it up, and deal with it..you’re not the first, and won’t be the last who didn’t get his ideal scenario on day 1. In the grand scheme of things this is a pretty small speed bump in the road.

Be thankful you weren’t thrown into the right seat of a Beech 1900 or a Jetstream, without a flight attendant or a bathroom, flying 6 to 8 legs a day getting paid like dirt...or perhaps sentenced to being a Gringo FO is SJU walking a mile each time you clear customs.....with the mental fortitude you’re showing you’d probably end up hanging yourself from the shower head in your crash pad within a week.

Here’s a news flash, there’s a lot of things in life won’t like, but you’ll have to do them anyway. Get used to it.

GF

You don't have much "invested" in Envoy. If I were you, I'd bail out and go to an airline which flies the airframe that you want to fly.

Republic comes to mind, and they PAY BETTER!!!

Some of the replies in this thread are pathetic. The OP was asking about what to expect. And honestly, if I were in his shoes, I’d be pretty dissapointed too. I picked Envoy largely due to DFW base. Moving isn’t an option for me. I knew that I’d likely have to commute to another base at first, and I did, but if I had been saddled with the CRJ, I’d be a permanent 2 leg commuter until I was able to upgrade... which wouldn’t be what I was expecting coming in.

Anyway, to the OP, if this really is about not wanting to fly the CRJ as an airframe, I do agree with some of the snowflake comments. But if it’s about base, there are better paying regionals with better work rules. I suggest you find them ASAP. If someone at a future job interview asks why you were at Envoy for such a short time, just say you got a better job offer that you couldn’t turn down. I doubt it will be held against you.

Sooooo much Haterade. Yeah, we older guys had it worse. Often a lot worse. Sucks for us. But what, this guy is supposed to eat a poop sandwich when he doesn't have to because we did? Nonsense. If there's another company hiring (and they all are) with bases/equipment which would suit you better, run don't walk over there. You can be sure that if your employment didn't suit their needs they'd drop you like a hot potato...why should it be different on your end? I hope you live in base, upgrade fast, and are at a legacy fat, dumb, and happy post-haste. We are all on the same team, remember?

Got the CRJ, not what I wanted
 

I don’t agree with them, people are being hard on you (pause) based assumptions. You were considering MESA vs Envoy. Now you have to deal with your decision of Envoy. From your previous post I believe you live in Texas. I understand why you did not want the CRJ. Now like u mentioned you have to move or live in Chicago which u do not want and did not expect. Plus the class size was suppose to be large and I’m sure u expected a large class, but instead it was a small class, and you found out too late most likely to extend your class date.

1st Welcome to Envoy, it sucks many times over to be part of the fallout in such a company. You will not be the last. Timing is everything in this industry and we have to live with the decisions we make, I don’t see your post above see as you complaining, your seeking for options and ideas and ways to cope and deal with your first 121 job.

This is when a mentor comes in handy.
Your timing did suck man, and you did not get what base or frame you wanted. There are a lot of high ego, selfish people on this site, bravado, and care-less-ness. We make a choice in life and have to deal with it our decisions or exit the situation, seem like your trying to deal with it l, and that’s great man. Envoy does lack stability right now obviously, so keep that in mind. Things could change in 2 month or 2 years. Change does occur often in the Regional 121 industry, so u have to be flexible.

Again, reading some of your post I believe you are now planning on moving to Chicago to help with better QOL. Smart decision. If you are a HVA I would not recommend moving from your current state of resident, until you are “Forcefully” upgrades/Displaced into another equipment. If you are not HVA, and a cadet, or regular street hire without the time to upgrade, the. I recommend moving in base if family structure allows, especially while on reserve for at least 1 year on the CRJ as an FO, or until the fleet dies.

Flow was a big part of your classes decision, others in previous classes coming to Envoy. It’s a major cost free, fish and hook recruitment tool. Perhaps your a HVA, that now realized it was only a gimmick marketing recruitment tool to get you thru the door and a 2 years or + commitment. The suck will continue if you have previous 121 time for a “quick forced upgrade.” If you are a HVA do not sign a long term lease in ORD unless you want to commute from ORD to LGA). This instability for the company really does suck, and can destroy families and relationships. Not sure if Management understands the real impact of their decisions. I pray they do, and decide to stabilize this company.

Other options for you to consider:

Republic has new Pay, second highest in the regional industry. Their CA pay much much better than Envoy and it catches or exceeds Endeavors CA rate btw years 3 and 4 and beyond I believe. Better reserve rules, 12 hour call outs, 1 feet type. Plus a potential new base of Houston, TX. From your previous post I believe you live in TX, and was looking at Mesa Airlines to be closer to your home, and family. Don’t make decisions based on rumors, but if REPUBLIC AIRWAYS does open up a base later this year closer to your home, give them a serious look. They will be more than happy to take someone with 121 experience under their belt.

Explaining your situation is easy! You made a mistake and wanted to be close to family, your family and relationships are important to you. You did not start training yet (happens often), or if you had sick family member (if u did), or what ever reason you left just be honest (if asked), I left because I made a mistake, I should have done better research.

Go where you feel most comfortable, sometimes the grass is not always greener on the other side.
If commuting for the FLOW, being on the Reserve an indefinite period of time for the FLOW, taking $21,000– up to $45,000 for the HVA and the FLOW, while your peers at Endeavor & Republic Airways pay their Captains watch much more, and have much better work rules, QOL, and Reserve rules. Not to mention no 12yr Pay Cap. Even Mesa Airlines has better reserve rules, and on par pay as Envoy/WO, better DH Pay, better OT % and critical coverage pay, quick upgrades also as soon as u have the FARs 121 time, without being forced to upgrade and displaced.

The FLOW is a real crowd pleaser. Without the FLOW, this company would truly & realistically take actions to be on par with the rest of the Regional industry reserve rules, and QOL improvements. People are flooding through the doors beyond all our expectations. When attrition takes a hit, and classes dry up of HVA, we will see least talks resume, and some positive changes for this pilot group.

Pretty sure the OP was not a HVA. If so, he would have had more of a choice on assignment.

A lot of us have been fed a $**! sandwich in this industry in general and at this company specifically. He isn’t the first and won’t be the last.

My guess is he (generic he, could be she) is quite young. (Which is why the CRJ was the only option in class) As a rule the younger folks (of ANY generation) are more likely to jump ship and run. If you don’t have any or few attachments, it is much easier to do.

Do what your life situation can handle.

Good thing I gots the baby bus when I got here almost 2yrs ago.:)

Cry me a river pops. Different times now.:rolleyes:

For real though. No one cares how bad you had it. I’m enjoying the NOW as is most of the pilot group. Maybe if he updated his app now and then and got a degree he wouldn’t still be at Envoy.