Most Junior CA Base and Equipment
Using the last Flow Document dated 7mar18. Base/Equipment/senority #.
Please correct if you see errors. Just trying to bring SOME level of understanding what you could hold in a forced CA upgrade. Are there variables? Will this change?, yes. Just rough guidance for now. Dallas/ 145 /928 Dallas /175 /1094 Miami /145/1514 New York /145/NH Chicago /CRJ/1817 Chicago /145 /1869 Chicago /175/1154 |
FO edition?
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Originally Posted by Inop2
(Post 2560588)
Using the last Flow Document from February. Base/Equipment/senority #.
Please correct if you see errors. Just trying to bring SOME level of understanding what you could hold in a forced CA upgrade. Are there variables? Will this change?, yes. Just rough guidance for now. Dallas/ 145 /928 Dallas /175 /1094 Miami /145/1514 New York /145/NH Chicago /CRJ/1817 Chicago /145 /1869 Chicago /175/1154 |
Originally Posted by BeechPilot33
(Post 2560591)
what is DOH for 1094. Why is the E-Jet junior to the 145
It’s not most junior DFW EMJ Captain is 1427 Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
Originally Posted by Inop2
(Post 2560588)
Using the last Flow Document dated 7mar18. Base/Equipment/senority #.
Please correct if you see errors. Just trying to bring SOME level of understanding what you could hold in a forced CA upgrade. Are there variables? Will this change?, yes. Just rough guidance for now. Dallas/ 145 /928 Dallas /175 /1094 Miami /145/1514 New York /145/NH Chicago /CRJ/1817 Chicago /145 /1869 Chicago /175/1154 |
Originally Posted by flysooner9
(Post 2560632)
Date of hire would be more helpful then seniority number I believe.
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It's all so fluid who cares. It'll keep changing non stop. Be ready to be forced to the left seat for endless reserve and abuse.
And because it keeps changing besides lga being most jr, expect non-stop displacements all over the USA. |
Does anyone have an idea of about how long "Direct Entry Captains" are sitting reserve? Thanks.
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Originally Posted by proskuneho
(Post 2560905)
Does anyone have an idea of about how long "Direct Entry Captains" are sitting reserve? Thanks.
Insert Sandlot “FOREVER” Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
Originally Posted by proskuneho
(Post 2560905)
Does anyone have an idea of about how long "Direct Entry Captains" are sitting reserve? Thanks.
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Originally Posted by proskuneho
(Post 2560905)
Does anyone have an idea of about how long "Direct Entry Captains" are sitting reserve? Thanks.
I'm not saying he is blowing smoke about holding a line right away but the only way he is right is if the line count goes up in LGA and they have to TDY to LGA from somewhere. In ORD last year we went from having more lines than FOs to three FOs to every line. The drastic changes going on around here make it hard to predict anything. Also, AA may hand something down last minute and throw a wrench in RWs plans/predictions like LGA opening back up. |
Does anyone know what the interview consists of for DEC?
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Originally Posted by LineUpAndPay
(Post 2560799)
And the actual junior CA, not just the award on the Flow plan from one bid.
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Originally Posted by Inop2
(Post 2561031)
Per the flow plan dated 7mar18 these are the most junior CA awards. I believe the union updates our seniority number before the company so It may appear to be errors but are just not company updated seniority numbers. The date of hire was not on the document. The flow plan is available to all: my.envoyair.com - Departments - Flight- Flight Bid & Crew Info. Same area were you can see the monthly bid packets but on the left side of the page in the Bid Crew Information.
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Originally Posted by lakehouse
(Post 2560809)
It's all so fluid who cares. It'll keep changing non stop. Be ready to be forced to the left seat for endless reserve and abuse.
And because it keeps changing besides lga being most jr, expect non-stop displacements all over the USA. |
Just reviewed Flow Plan 1802 from 07 MAR 2018. Juniormost CA by status, some statuses are more junior than the OP, and those CAs have finished training, such as DCE and DCL.
Status-seniority number-DOH DCE-1272-09/16 DCL-1094-10/15 OCE-1869-09/17 OCL-1154-04/16 OCC-1817-08/17 MCE-1514-03/17 NCE-New Hire Total seniority list stands at 2391 as of the 12 MAR 2018 NH class. |
Originally Posted by Bassman1985
(Post 2561043)
Just reviewed Flow Plan 1802 from 07 MAR 2018. Juniormost CA by status, some statuses are more junior than the OP, and those CAs have finished training, such as DCE and DCL.
Status-seniority number-DOH DCE-1272-09/16 DCL-1094-10/15 OCE-1869-09/17 OCL-1154-04/16 OCC-1817-08/17 MCE-1514-03/17 NCE-New Hire Total seniority list stands at 2391 as of the 12 MAR 2018 NH class. I wonder how these numbers are going to shake out for the next vacancy bid! I really wish the union was a bit more proactive about getting information out about displacements and preference bidding. There are some guys here that will get screwed by this. Here is a friendly tip: ALWAYS have your displacements filled in COMPLETELY!!!!!!!!!!! If you have 1000 hours 121 time then you should have 7 CA displacement bids in (ONE BID FOR EACH BASE/EQUIPMENT). Also, feel free to throw in the FO bids in there as well.... You never know. ONLY preference if you absolutely want a position! It MAY be better for you if you can proffer to displace into the position you want. |
Originally Posted by Bruno82
(Post 2561013)
Does anyone know what the interview consists of for DEC?
Only HR no tech |
Originally Posted by Pedro4President
(Post 2561054)
Thanks for this info!
I wonder how these numbers are going to shake out for the next vacancy bid! I really wish the union was a bit more proactive about getting information out about displacements and preference bidding. There are some guys here that will get screwed by this. Here is a friendly tip: ALWAYS have your displacements filled in COMPLETELY!!!!!!!!!!! If you have 1000 hours 121 time then you should have 7 CA displacement bids in (ONE BID FOR EACH BASE/EQUIPMENT). Also, feel free to throw in the FO bids in there as well.... You never know. ONLY preference if you absolutely want a position! It MAY be better for you if you can proffer to displace into the position you want. |
Originally Posted by okayestpilot
(Post 2561088)
The vacancy has been out for a week and not a peep from our union. No surprise there. Id rather get information from them then have to seek others advice on a forum. So for someone who is going to be affected by this vacancy and desperately wants to stay in DFW, is it better to proffer to displace, or just have displacement preferences or to preference a standing bid for DFW and be subject to seat lock if I am awarded it?
In your case I would probably use displacements with all DFW first followed by airplanes that would get you back to DFW and eliminate any preferences that would cause a seat lock away from DFW. Avoiding the CRJ would be advisable unless you want to roll the dice on a quick displacement Edit: If you're really junior do everything you can to get into ORD EMB/E75 since that will be a somewhat easier commute and still get you back to DFW when you can hold it |
Originally Posted by okayestpilot
(Post 2561088)
The vacancy has been out for a week and not a peep from our union. No surprise there. Id rather get information from them then have to seek others advice on a forum. So for someone who is going to be affected by this vacancy and desperately wants to stay in DFW, is it better to proffer to displace, or just have displacement preferences or to preference a standing bid for DFW and be subject to seat lock if I am awarded it?
I’m guessing you just reached the uograde hours then. What aircraft type are you currently flying? If i were in your shoes i would preference both types for DFW CA, and then proffer to displace the best of the worse **** sandwiches as a commute. At least this way as they go through the bid preferences you may get DFW and if not you’ll be displaced and not seat locked. |
Originally Posted by okayestpilot
(Post 2561088)
The vacancy has been out for a week and not a peep from our union. No surprise there. Id rather get information from them then have to seek others advice on a forum. So for someone who is going to be affected by this vacancy and desperately wants to stay in DFW, is it better to proffer to displace, or just have displacement preferences or to preference a standing bid for DFW and be subject to seat lock if I am awarded it?
Alright since you give very little details I'll make it general for everyone. Every single pilot that has or is close to having 1000 needs every CA displacement slot filled. All FOs that have or close to having 1000 needs ONLY DISPLACEMENT bids in. DO NOT preference to a CA position. (There is no need to if the company is forcing you anyway. Plus you get two extra paid move days if moving bases and you have no seat lock.) If you are unsure or want to proffer to displace then contact the union and those guys are good about helping people out. Pit falls: The preference bids and displacement bids are run completely separately. Many junior LGA CAs are going to want to bid DFW CA as a preference. They will MOST LIKELY be awarded DFW. Subsequently the displacement bids will be run and they will be displaced. Sometimes these guys forget to reevaluate their displacement bids because there are already displaced. These guys will likely end up with NOT ENOUGH BIDS and could possibly end up in Chicago on the CRJ with a long term training event. |
Just remember they first run the preference bids. THEN the proffer for displacements preferences are run with whatever is left over.
Preference what you actually want otherwise someone junior to you might get it if you only proffer to displace. You will be kicking yourself if you could have held DFW or wherever else you wanted, but instead we’re displaced to LGA, meanwhile someone way junior to you gets DFW because they preferenced DFW but you only proffered to displace. If you’re super junior and likely to get LGA anyway, then just proffer to displace and don’t be away locked. I would take a seat lock in a different type rather than commute and risk 6-12 months or more in a commuting situation if i could have lived in base. But that’s just me, everyone has different priorities. |
Originally Posted by havick206
(Post 2561143)
Just remember they first run the preference bids. THEN the proffer for displacements preferences are run with whatever is left over.
Preference what you actually want otherwise someone junior to you might get it if you only proffer to displace. You will be kicking yourself if you could have held DFW or wherever else you wanted, but instead we’re displaced to LGA, meanwhile someone way junior to you gets DFW because they preferenced DFW but you only proffered to displace. If you’re super junior and likely to get LGA anyway, then just proffer to displace and don’t be away locked. I would take a seat lock in a different type rather than commute and risk 6-12 months or more in a commuting situation if i could have lived in base. But that’s just me, everyone has different priorities. This is how people think it works but get upset when they end up with a displacement. Displacements trump preference. The senior pilot IF displaced will hold DFW and then kick out the junior guy who preference bid DFW. Example. When NY closed, no pilots needed any preferences because they knew they were getting displaced. All they had were displacement bids in because they knew they were getting displaced. A DEC entry CA that has finished IOE will need to preference to a new position. A pilot who is awarded a CA position but has not finished IOE can preference to an FO position and force a new displacement to a CA position. |
So are most Direct Entry captains getting forced to LGA? How many hours/month are junior reserve captains flying on average?
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Originally Posted by proskuneho
(Post 2561492)
So are most Direct Entry captains getting forced to LGA? How many hours/month are junior reserve captains flying on average?
All are going to LGA! You will fly maybe 5 days a month if lucky maybe less, maybe more depending on where you fall on the seniority list. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
Originally Posted by Sheg0theD
(Post 2561497)
All are going to LGA! You will fly maybe 5 days a month if lucky maybe less, maybe more depending on where you fall on the seniority list.
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Originally Posted by Sheg0theD
(Post 2561497)
All are going to LGA! You will fly maybe 5 days a month if lucky maybe less, maybe more depending on where you fall on the seniority list.
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Originally Posted by Sheg0theD
(Post 2561497)
All are going to LGA! You will fly maybe 5 days a month if lucky maybe less, maybe more depending on where you fall on the seniority list.
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Originally Posted by flysooner9
(Post 2561522)
This is not really true if you look at the N6D. Some junior guys are over 70 hours for the month.
Who? Please do explain... the ones over 70 hours took 50 hours on ioe for the month. I’m over 70 hours but have been on the line since January. You are mistaken my friend. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
Originally Posted by Pedro4President
(Post 2561480)
That's not how it works. VERY BAD ADVICE!!!
This is how people think it works but get upset when they end up with a displacement. Displacements trump preference. The senior pilot IF displaced will hold DFW and then kick out the junior guy who preference bid DFW. Example. When NY closed, no pilots needed any preferences because they knew they were getting displaced. All they had were displacement bids in because they knew they were getting displaced. A DEC entry CA that has finished IOE will need to preference to a new position. A pilot who is awarded a CA position but has not finished IOE can preference to an FO position and force a new displacement to a CA position. If someone preferences a seat that’s going to be awarded first before their displacement preference. |
Originally Posted by Weekendwarrior2
(Post 2561547)
If someone preferences a seat that’s going to be awarded first before their displacement preference.
A Sr guy will always bump the Jr guy. The only way a Jr guy will get to keep that preference is if they don't actually displace anybody senior to him. Since we know every eligible FO WILL be displaced, this shouldn't happen. It seems we are in uncharted bidding territory here and have to throw all the traditional bidding strategies out the window. Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using Tapatalk |
Originally Posted by Weekendwarrior2
(Post 2561547)
If someone preferences a seat that’s going to be awarded first before their displacement preference.
And yes MT we are in uncharted territory. I wish people would know what's going on and the pitfalls of bidding certain ways. I think most people don't understand how displacements are going to work. |
Sorry if this has been answered...
If I pref bid something and get it, but also displacement bid it, which will it run as? I know I saw it runs the pref first but then got confused by some of the replies. Just asking mostly for seat lock reasons |
Originally Posted by Pat2389
(Post 2561647)
Sorry if this has been answered...
If I pref bid something and get it, but also displacement bid it, which will it run as? I know I saw it runs the pref first but then got confused by some of the replies. Just asking mostly for seat lock reasons Since the pref is run first you will get your pref bid. They only look at your displacement bids if you get displaced. That's why I suggest bidding into a position you know you can hold and be immediately displaced from. |
Originally Posted by Pedro4President
(Post 2561654)
Awarded as a preference.
Since the pref is run first you will get your pref bid. They only look at your displacement bids if you get displaced. That's why I suggest bidding into a position you know you can hold and be immediately displaced from. |
Originally Posted by moon
(Post 2561690)
A strong union would come out and tell everyone to do as Pedro says in order to force the companies hand. No one seat locked would create so many headaches for the company. But apparently that's not what we have. This is the contract we have. Use it to your benefit.
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Originally Posted by havick206
(Post 2561698)
So what happens if you don’t preference something and then displacements don’t go as high this time?
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Originally Posted by havick206
(Post 2561698)
So what happens if you don’t preference something and then displacements don’t go as high this time?
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Originally Posted by havick206
(Post 2561698)
So what happens if you don’t preference something and then displacements don’t go as high this time?
If you have finished Fed ride then all you can do is proffer to displace OR preference bid. This is the scenario I think you were trying to convey in your earlier post. And yes in this scenario you could end up kicking yourself for not preference bidding a position and only proffering to displace. |
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