False advertising by Envoy
 

I may get jumped on for starting a new thread for this. I know this has been brought up in several of the other threads. I’m not a doom and gloom basher, but certainly not happy about how things have worked out at Envoy. I was looking at info for other airlines on the APC pages and there was an Envoy ad that popped out at me. SIX years to flow it says.

I clicked on the link http://jobs.envoyair.com/dec/ and the pay chart it shows actually says year FIVE is a blended Envoy/AA rate! They are effectively saying if you get hired now you will be at AA in five and a half years! While I wish this were true, there is NO way. The company needs to show the math. The union needs to do something about this. If Envoy wants to sell this BS, they need to tell the rest of us that are here how they are going to make this happen.

It is also advertising 950 hours as DEC. I know they are counting the 50 hours if IOE, but we all know you are not eligible to bid for or enter training without 1000 hours if qualifying time.

If the company wants this to be true, they need to come to the table and make the changes to the contract to make it so. Otherwise the union needs to get a ceases and desist. File a class action lawsuit for all of us.

Its worse then you realize....

To get a blended 5th year pay, then flow is at FOUR years and six months. This right here is the BIGGEST load of BS I have ever seen come out from the recruitment department.

I'm going to bet someone in the training department made the same mistake you did and didn't realize they were saying you would be at AA in 4.5 years. I am hoping this is a mistake instead of someone being nefarious.

Fake News.

False advertising by Envoy
 

Why do you believe it’s “fake news.”

How sure are you they are not sending those DECs with 950 hrs - 1000 hrs directly to DEC training outside the bid? Not a lie if true. Company is desperate for CA.

I certainly DON’T know they are not doing it, but if they are, I understand it to be a violation of the contract, and there needs to be a grievance on behalf of anyone who missed the cut off for a captains bid by 50 hours.

They ARE doing it, 3-4 CA’s just hit reserve at LGA a week or two ago that were hired in JAN18 after the DEC17 vacancy bid closed and went right into CA training from day one.

False advertising by Envoy
 

The company can do whatever it wants because they have their own math and reality to support their stance. Is it legal? Maybe maybe not, Grieve it.

Company gets what it wants and needs in the present at all times, until 1-2yrs after the grievance is skidded down the road. If grievance arbitrator sides with union, the “reparations” MAYBE TOO SMALL, will be far to small or late to make any difference to those affected.

Truth is company doesn’t NEED to do anything unless management:

1. Wants to- per Contract interpretation, Policy, Strategic goals.
2. Is forced to by AAG.
3. Judge/grievance arbitrators orders it.
4. Market conditions necessitates it.

ALPA as a Union is only as strong as its memberships supports it, and memberships involvement (file the grievance). APC & TalkAirline forums has its usefulness at times for both company and unions favor, but Strong membership involvement (reading the contract, calling reps & volunteer, learning from those in the union) & strong membership support of the Union (stop bad mouthing, complaining, spreading non-factual information, rumors to pilot group, bad mouthing MEC, LEC) etc. A divided union is weak union.

Company has the edge thanks to RLA. But RLA allows us a seat at the table, and market conditions gives us a little leverage (not as great a leverage as some might think).

We live in the age of instant gratification. Cards are stacked against regional pilots and meaningful progress & processes for pilots take time. Many wheels make a tuned time-clock turn. Can’t force this company into a position it does not see it needs.

Grievances have been filed for those affected.

While we're at it I'll join in. These graphs they put out there show you earning the entire FO retention bonus, and yet its a complete scam based on how its structured.

For example, I came off probation in the middle of 12/2017. I will not receive the first installment until June 2018, a second in September 2018, at which point I will likely be forced to upgrade and therefore lose the rest of the bonus.

In the end thats $15,000 in compensation that recruiters sold to me that I will never see.