Future on non-wholly owned
 

Check out the video on jetnet of President Isom town hall meeting,
talking about the non-wholly owned...good news for the WO...

I call BS on this. airlines will always pick the lowest bidder to save money. Isom is trying to sugar coat the wholly owned airlines to keep people in seats chasing an 8+ year flow while better opportunities are out there in this hiring market.

Anyone know how to copy and paste this in the Compass Airline forum?

I see this line being used in every single regional forum on this site.

Preach! #truth

A quote from the video I found most interesting:

"..So we've got a great set of wholly owneds. I would really like to see us over the long run then combine that with a few carriers of critical mass, that meet standards in terms of quality.."

That sounds like the wholly owneds plus Skywest and one other?

My WAG has always been the WO + Skywest and Republic. They have the size and resources to compete.

The TSH guys are all freaking out about a possible merger announcement with Republic in the near future. If that happens I wonder if we can kiss the thought of getting flying in LAX back from Compass?

The quotes I found interesting were that PSA was going to have 150 airplanes, PDT around 50ish and Envoy growing to 200. That accounts for 2/3 of the 590 airplanes in AA's regional fleet. I think the last 1/3 will be accounted for by Skywest having 50 CR7, Mesa 64 CR9 and RPA having the 85 E175s. I think those 3 will be the final survivors of the non WO's for the foreseeable future.

Food for thought, if Envoy is really going to be at 200 airplanes in the next two years. That means PDT operates the 56 E145 they've been promised and all CR7s get transferred to PSA by next year that leaves Envoy with 180 airplanes at the end of 2019:

49 E140
62 E145
69 E175

I wonder where those last 20 airplanes will come from to get us to 200.

Hmmmmm, if only i had a device that could give me a "sense of direction" as to where they may come from.;)

Compass would be my guess.

When is their contract up?

Early termination clause for lousy performance?

How has their controllable completion factor been?

LAX has never been back on the table. Just a rumor that won’t die.

It goes through the end of next year. My understanding is that their performance has been good.

Their numbers are fine. They won't terminate it early

No need to terminate it early. We need more time to give 145s to peidmont and 700s to PSA so we can staff the 40 and maybe compass’ 20 planes

Future on non-wholly owned
 

Well done, sir. You win the internet today.

I see what you did there. Well played. Well played indeed.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...t-trans-states.

Don't know about the E-175's but there should be more routes coming from this.

It's not going to be a matter of lowest bidder. The pipeline of pilots is starting to grow thin. Which means there is a shortage of pilots going to the regional. It's already begun with great lakes. Over the up coming years you'll start regional cutting back on flying, some even filling for bankruptcy. Wholly own will be the last to survive, but eventually they fall pray to the shortage as well.

I don't think so man. A major bankruptcy or two will happen and then we'll see the 1500 hour rule "revised" by congress and hundreds of thousands of 300 hour FO's willing to fly for free and with an automatic diversity flow through to the majors pouring in. We need to enjoy the demand > supply situation when it comes to our labor while we can. It's one legislative sea change away from being over in a big way, and rolling back to $10/hr starting pay, no QOL, brutal onesided contract negotiations, and only a lottery shot of getting a call from the majors for FWM.

The one thing we know, and perhaps you haven't notice, i's that Congress works very slow. There has been talk about moving the retirementage to 67 for a couple of years, and still hasn't happen. Congress is too busy with their heads up there behind. But, let's see, hopefully your right, but I'm not holding my breath on it.

Why would you hope he is right? That would be about the worst thing to happen and thankfully, ALPA was able to keep that provision of lowering the hours out of the new FAA Reauthorization Bill, at least for now. Believe me, Congress, or at least certain members are actively trying to get us out of the equation for their corporate overlords.

Several reps did manage to sneak in a provision for testing and research of single pilot cargo operations, which is bad news. Hopefully ALPA can again challenge this attempt to undermine our labor force.

Well, I hope you're right.

It has actually been the top performing Eagle carrier.


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While I don't deny the good performance, everyone claims that they're the best eagle carrier- Envoy, Compass, Republic, PSA, etc.... I'd love to see some data that breaks down each carrier's performance. Do you have any data that specifically shows Compass is THE best?

My belief that isn’t founded in anything believes that as long as any “partner” eagle can do most of their commitment then aag will not cut their legs out from under them. Unless that partner gets bought out by delta. Then all bets are off

If a wholly owned carrier can handle the commitment of flying that a contract carrier is flying, then AAG will have a WO carrier take it. AAG gets to hold on to a larger cut of the profit with a WO carrier than having it farmed out. BUT....the big question mark is staffing at the WO.

Performance isn't apples to apples anyway. Of course a carrier with newer, better maintained equipment and operating out of less dysfunctional hubs is going to have better performance.

Big time. Good points. I’d like to remind everyone that tsa blowing it and airwhisky telling aag to stuff it were not expected. If the wholly owned are at capacity or overcommitted now then why take flying from someone that is holding in there like compass is. Unless I’m wrong and they aren’t.

If you think AAG cares only about performance, then you're kidding yourself. ie look at MESA. The sh|ttiest performance out there. It all comes down to money when it's all said and done. If AAG can get performance out of one carrier while doing as good or better, then they'll do it. i.e...operating 175s through a WO vs a contract carrier. Well...AAG is gonna do what's best for AAG. Hint...AAG holds onto far greater profits by operating flights through its WOs vs. its contract carriers.

It's high time that pilots across the WOs figure this out and start to think accordingly...

Where'd you see they have the ****tiest performance out there?

I'm also curious where Mesa's performance figures are coming from. They're operating out of places where weather and ATC delays are mostly unheard of. I would be surprised if their on-time percentage wasn't higher than ours.

I have zero hard evidence of this but I believe the common reason people claim their performance sucks is due mostly to maintenance.

Maintenance and crew availability.

Future...I'll tell you the future. That future is grim. All regionals will die. Further down the road most middle class jobs including the pilot profession will vanish. Their won't be enough jobs to go around and people will starve. That is what my fortune cookie told me today! That's all I gotta say about that.

The world ended today, film at 11. That is what I saw on TV.

Hopefully my keen stick and rudder skills will qualify me to drive a twinned-V12 War Rig in the post apocalyptic wasteland.

Finally at the majors