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Old 05-22-2018, 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Jeffreyj View Post
There would have to be a displacement bid for someone to be displaced out of their base. I don’t see that happening anytime soon and even when the CRJ’s finally go away the displacements probably won’t affect many.
I'm not sure what rock you have been hiding under but pilots have been displaced on the last three displacements.

As long as they are forcing FOs to displace to CAs then there is a chance for DECS to get bumped back to LGA/ORD. It's really hard to predict since we are going to loose 174 pilots between now and November just due to flow. Add another 7 per month and that's 216 CA vacancies due to attrition. This means there will likely to continue to force upgrades. So far we have hired 50 DECS per the union seniority list. It looks like we are hiring more CAs then we expected.

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Old 05-22-2018, 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Fly507 View Post
Hey guys,

I've been doing some research about this, but the information is scattered all over the forums and I would like to hear from other pilots who have done this move.

I'm close to 1000 121, but not so close to upgrade. I live in Florida and would like to stay here, so I've been considering the DEC at Envoy.
It is my understanding that all the DECs are being sent to LGA until you can hold some other base. How long is it currently taking for DECs to hold MIA? How bad was sitting reserve in LGA? Would you recommend doing this?

If I was to do this, I'd move up to LGA until I can hold MIA and then come back to FL, so commuting wouldn't be an issue.

I appreciate your input.
I tend to think it IS worth it. I am not a recruiter. You can bid to MIA in a relatively short time (roughly a year, maybe). Some don’t do it as quickly, to make money/time as a line holder. That is your prerogative! The new LOA is helpful for those early months of reserve as well as increased flow. For someone like me, who has a good resume and still can’t get the legacy interview, I think the WO AA FFD airlines are a good place to hang while persuing your dream job. If you happen to get stuck here, movement is good and it truly is a good place to work. There are a lot of changes happening in the industry for the better and hopefully we can continue to negotiate some gains while times are good (RSV Ruels/Pay Rates). There are a few decent FFD carriers right now, I think the WO’s are best fit to get you where you want(AA) if things don’t go as planned. I work with mostly very excellent and compitant pilots and mostly good maintenance. Good luck with your decision!
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I'm not sure what rock you have been hiding under but pilots have been displaced on the last three displacements.
Thanks, I forgot about the FO’s displacing junior captains. I’ve mentally already gone over to American.
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Thanks, I forgot about the FO’s displacing junior captains. I’ve mentally already gone over to American.
Lucky!!!!!!!
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Old 05-29-2018, 07:29 PM
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Any info on how long to hold ORD at the moment for DEC?
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Old 05-30-2018, 06:55 PM
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The biggest problem for prospective DECs is that pretty soon they won't be needed. Our FOs will have the time to upgrade, and we'll be hiring more FOs. If you get stuck as one of the last DECs hired, you're looking at being a junior CA for a loooong time.
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The biggest problem for prospective DECs is that pretty soon they won't be needed. Our FOs will have the time to upgrade, and we'll be hiring more FOs. If you get stuck as one of the last DECs hired, you're looking at being a junior CA for a loooong time.
That’s already happening.

Late-ish 2017 new hires getting a taste of composite or hard lines this month, being bumped back to middle of reserve list next month. It’s not as if this comes as any surprise.
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Old 05-31-2018, 07:12 AM
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I think the DECs are doing fine so long as they stay in LGA. Most are holding lines within a few months. It’s when they try and leave that base that I think the problems arise.

Anyway, we want more DECs, at least those of us already on the seniority list as they take spots we mostly don’t want to fill. In their defense they are getting large payouts to do it.
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I think the DECs are doing fine so long as they stay in LGA. Most are holding lines within a few months. It’s when they try and leave that base that I think the problems arise.

Anyway, we want more DECs, at least those of us already on the seniority list as they take spots we mostly don’t want to fill. In their defense they are getting large payouts to do it.
Have you even looked at the CA reserve list for next month?
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Have you even looked at the CA reserve list for next month?
It's not too bad. I doubt any of them will stay much longer than a year or two. If they can get on with a major or even lcc then they will be much better off. We lost 12 CAs in may.
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