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razorback93 07-16-2018 09:59 AM

The EMB-145
 
I am going to be bidding the 145. My class date is next month. What is the overall opinion of the 145 from a pilot's perspective? What does it do great? What does it do not so great?

Thanks in advance for your time!

crj700 07-16-2018 10:10 AM


Originally Posted by razorback93 (Post 2635890)
I am going to be bidding the 145. My class date is next month. What is the overall opinion of the 145 from a pilot's perspective? What does it do great? What does it do not so great?

Thanks in advance for your time!

Google WSCOD.

razorback93 07-16-2018 10:14 AM

I did..thanks for that lol

MD-11Loader 07-16-2018 11:19 AM

It’s a good airplane. Don’t expect amazing speed or performance, she’s a pug when it’s hot. The FMS leaves a lot to be desired, but it does the job. It’s a great first jet and an excellent plane to cut your teeth on. It handles well, the systems aren’t overly complex, and you’ll fly with a lot of great captains. Best of luck to you.

razorback93 07-16-2018 11:25 AM

Thank you for your reply. Looking forward to flying with Envoy.

NoValueAviator 07-16-2018 01:07 PM

Fun to hand fly, lots of feedback coming through the yoke. Slow cruiser, terrible climber - you say "unable - performance" more than you ever thought you would in a jet. Big fat safety margins on everything, hard to kill yourself with it and tons of nice round easily memorized numbers in the book. Quite a few bizarre idiosyncracies. Cuts your power with no warning besides the flight instrument/EICAS indications pulling back when it needs the air for the automatic ice protection. Rickety and cheap construction, makes a lot of noise. FMS has most of what you'd need but is very poorly executed - inefficient, counterintuitive layout and functions hidden away in contexts that don't make sense. Make sure your big ol nuts aren't in the path of that yoke when your captain makes his first landing on IOE, or you're not going to have to worry about sending kids to college.

Overall I like it.

SonicFlyer 07-16-2018 07:27 PM


Originally Posted by NoValueAviator (Post 2636011)
Make sure your big ol nuts aren't in the path of that yoke when your captain makes his first landing on IOE, or you're not going to have to worry about sending kids to college.

Funniest thing I have ever read on APC. Ever! :D

ENH017 07-17-2018 11:26 AM

My biggest complaint about the EMB-145 isn't about the plane at all, its about the schedules. The 145 does most of the short hops for Envoy so you'll see a lot more 5 leg days and really low credit hour OT opportunities.

Podrick 07-17-2018 12:59 PM

As stated 5 leg days can wear you down, but if they’re short legs and all through your home base they’re not bad, unless it’s go home day.

On the other hand we have way more of a variety in flying compared to the 175 and especially the CRJ. You’ll do flying through all 4 bases plus Boston and Charlotte. The airplane itself is definitely made for shorter legs, has lots of kinks and you’ll learn all the tricks on the line.

It’s not fast but overall it’s a solid airplane that’s very forgiving, can be flown almost 250 to the marker and has good landing performance. Pay attention to takeoff performance, especially when it’s warm. And don’t be surprised when it starts acting strange when it’s cold, or when the gpu is plugged in.

NoValueAviator 07-17-2018 01:21 PM

Oh yeah, I forgot about that but it wouldn't be fair to the jungle jet not to mention it. The flip side to not being able to climb is that the thing will fall out of the sky on command. Very reassuring when they leave you high as they often do.

450knotOffice 07-17-2018 07:15 PM


Originally Posted by NoValueAviator (Post 2636824)
Oh yeah, I forgot about that but it wouldn't be fair to the jungle jet not to mention it. The flip side to not being able to climb is that the thing will fall out of the sky on command. Very reassuring when they leave you high as they often do.

So true with that airplane. It comes down like an anvil.

Some jets (like a heavy 321) can neither climb well, nor descend/slow down well.

Beech Dude 07-18-2018 03:29 AM

Since this is an e jet talk, I've always been curious about the bicycle looking yoke. How do yall like it/hate it?

NoValueAviator 07-18-2018 04:53 AM


Originally Posted by Beech Dude (Post 2637195)
Since this is an e jet talk, I've always been curious about the bicycle looking yoke. How do yall like it/hate it?

As far as shape goes, it does a pretty good job clearing the knees at least for general use (not aileron rolls), but makes it harder to be precise with roll inputs, though the plane is numb in the roll anyway because the ailerons are boosted.

Pedro4President 07-18-2018 05:02 AM


Originally Posted by NoValueAviator (Post 2637226)
As far as shape goes, it does a pretty good job clearing the knees at least for general use (not aileron rolls), but makes it harder to be precise with roll inputs, though the plane is pretty numb in the roll anyway because the ailerons are boosted.

Rolling left for CAs and rolling right for FOs is a bit awkward in strong wind landings but not too bad.

Also as said before it's a VERY forgiving airplane with a large envelope at altitude compared to the CRJ.

.58-.78 vs .74-.83 Mach at altitude
250-280 vs 270-310 in the climb

nimslow 07-18-2018 08:11 AM

Disclaimer, some of these have probably changed since I last flew the WSCOD.

Whats not to love? It's loud and cramped in the cockpit. It's got DV windows, but don't open them. It's got thrust reversers, but don't use them. Be sure to make a pitch trim input on takeoff, or you can lock up the stabilizer. The NWS can have a mind of it's own. The FMS is like a first generation Garmin, that won't really prepare you for using any other FMS. in existence.

I've only had to declare three emergencies in my career, and all of them were in the 145, all resulted in landing with the masks and smoke goggles on.

Absolutly my least favorite of all the jet's I've flown in my life, I won't cry, even a little when the last one is turned into a beer can.

But thats just my opinion, and it's worth exactly what you paid for it. Bid whatever equipment and base will result in the best quality of life.

HardLemonade 07-18-2018 10:49 AM

You ever bang a girl and actually split second consider not pulling out because it's so much fun?

That's what flying the 145 is like.

SilentLurker 07-18-2018 05:46 PM


Originally Posted by HardLemonade (Post 2637475)
You ever bang a girl and actually split second consider not pulling out because it's so much fun?



That's what flying the 145 is like.


So your saying commit cuz it’s so fun!? Alright!

E175 Driver 07-19-2018 12:29 PM

Its POS period. Cant wait to get off it.

Lahey 07-19-2018 01:55 PM


Originally Posted by E175 Driver (Post 2638348)
Its POS period. Cant wait to get off it.

You fly the 145?

Captain Kirk 07-19-2018 01:57 PM

C’mon. Haters gonna hate.
.78 almost, rear lav for the walk of shame, last generation avionics and FMS, no onboard WiFi.What’s not to like?!
As the salesman said to Clark Griswold, “ if you hate it now wait to you drive it!”
I keed I keed. But the yokes are cool 😎

Cyio 07-19-2018 02:01 PM


Originally Posted by Lahey (Post 2638416)
You fly the 145?

If you believe the skit than yes.

E175 Driver 07-19-2018 02:45 PM


Originally Posted by Lahey (Post 2638416)
You fly the 145?

Yes, Upgraded few months ago.

Lahey 07-19-2018 04:03 PM


Originally Posted by E175 Driver (Post 2638450)
Yes, Upgraded few months ago.

Nice! Congrats on the upgrade. Why aren’t you a fan of the 145?

SonicFlyer 07-19-2018 04:51 PM

I'll be honest, as a pax on the front left few seats, I love riding on it.

MD-11Loader 07-19-2018 04:59 PM


Originally Posted by Lahey (Post 2638524)
Nice! Congrats on the upgrade. Why aren’t you a fan of the 145?

Because he’s a child of the 175 and hates having to work on an airplane that makes him work.

nimslow 07-19-2018 05:22 PM


Originally Posted by Captain Kirk (Post 2638417)
C’mon. Haters gonna hate.
.78 almost, rear lav for the walk of shame, last generation avionics and FMS, no onboard WiFi.What’s not to like?!
As the salesman said to Clark Griswold, “ if you hate it now wait to you drive it!”
I keed I keed. But the yokes are cool 😎

My go to meme for the 737, but since you brought it up..

https://i.imgur.com/3eua7cW.jpg

SoFloFlyer 07-19-2018 08:54 PM


Originally Posted by MD-11Loader (Post 2638573)
Because he’s a child of the 175 and hates having to work on an airplane that makes him work.

This is funny 😂😂😂

E175 Driver 07-21-2018 08:30 AM


Originally Posted by MD-11Loader (Post 2638573)
Because he’s a child of the 175 and hates having to work on an airplane that makes him work.

Work smarter...not harder you numbnuts.

Swakid8 07-21-2018 04:21 PM


Originally Posted by MD-11Loader (Post 2638573)
Because he’s a child of the 175 and hates having to work on an airplane that makes him work.



This lol


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NoValueAviator 07-21-2018 07:14 PM

you think flying the slimbraer is hard work huh?

it's a POS in many ways but that it makes you work hard is not one of them.

SoFloFlyer 07-21-2018 09:28 PM


Originally Posted by NoValueAviator (Post 2640173)
you think flying the slimbraer is hard work huh?

it's a POS in many ways but that it makes you work hard is not one of them.

What plane makes you work harder?

450knotOffice 07-21-2018 09:49 PM


Originally Posted by MD-11Loader (Post 2638573)
Because he’s a child of the 175 and hates having to work on an airplane that makes him work.

and


Originally Posted by NoValueAviator (Post 2640173)
you think flying the slimbraer is hard work huh?

it's a POS in many ways but that it makes you work hard is not one of them.

Work hard? No. However, for those who’ve become accustomed to Autothrottles for speed control and VNAV for path control, to suddenly have no autothrottles or VNAV means they have to actually control speed ON THEIR OWN and manage the descent ON THEIR OWN. Oh, the HORROR! 🙄

RawHide 07-21-2018 11:10 PM

The good news is FMS programming takes less than a minute.

MD-11Loader 07-22-2018 01:39 AM


Originally Posted by E175 Driver (Post 2639827)
Work smarter...not harder you numbnuts.

Learn to use the skill that your mommy and daddy paid for you degenerate.

Swakid8 07-22-2018 05:39 AM


Originally Posted by SoFloFlyer (Post 2640204)
What plane makes you work harder?


MD-80, 727s, Dash 8s,


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NoValueAviator 07-22-2018 05:43 AM


Originally Posted by SoFloFlyer (Post 2640204)
What plane makes you work harder?

Bunch of them basically.

E175 Driver 07-22-2018 06:19 AM


Originally Posted by RawHide (Post 2640226)
The good news is FMS programming takes less than a minute.

I wouldn't even call it an FMS. Its an old GPS with 1990 technology garbage.

Lahey 07-22-2018 07:55 AM


Originally Posted by E175 Driver (Post 2640291)
I wouldn't even call it an FMS. Its an old GPS with 1990 technology garbage.

Baaahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahhaahha

MD-11Loader 07-22-2018 07:57 AM


Originally Posted by E175 Driver (Post 2640291)
I wouldn't even call it an FMS. Its an old GPS with 1990 technology garbage.

It’s a graphing calculator with a bigger screen.

flysooner9 07-22-2018 09:22 AM


Originally Posted by MD-11Loader (Post 2640341)
It’s a graphing calculator with a bigger screen.

Sort of a bigger screen...


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