A friendly PSA for the new commuters.
 

I commute on a route thats very heavy with AA and Envoy commuters. Over the past couple of months, I've run across more than a few new Envoy pilots who have been checked in as a D2 for multiple flights between the same city pair, on the same day. One individual was listed, and checked in for every flight of the day.

Review the employee travel policies, the company does look for this stuff, and other employees may turn you in. You can get your travel privileges suspended/revoked, or possibly fired.

Here's a tip.... sign in for the later one and if you get done on time or early then you can ask the gate agent to roll you over to the earlier flight.

A friendly PSA for the new commuters.
 

Sign in time is kept. Only issue is if everyone started doing this the inaccuracy of standby flight load & planning expectations go down the squatter. Hard to imagine but possibly more deplorable than it already is.

OP [MENTION=31538]nimslow[/MENTION] please report them and names to your union rep, Jumpseat Committee chair, Pro Standards, etc.

If you recognize the names. If it continues take it to management. Hell we all know the rules.

PSA should know very well It’s not cool stepping on other pilots....

Pretty sure PSA was meant as "Public Service Announcement"...

I agree. Just a good low jab opportunity at PSA for a relative title sake.

WO Pilots should definitely stop stepping on each other overall. Jumpseat etiquette, D1/D2, A12, double listing’s, contracts, concessions. No matter the carrier. OP called out envoy as he/she should.

I’ve heard APC is not a place to get results, only to disseminate, vent, point fingers, and get fingered.

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-Tom

You want to go to pro standards? Lol, tell the union. Or better still, sack up and tell them directly. Maybe show them how to jumpseat OAL so they aren’t stuck commuting on the world’s most oversold airline. They don’t tell us anything in indoc, the pilots in question probably don’t know.

That is most certainly correct. There’s really no benefit to listing for multiple flights. Doing so just shows they don’t really know how the system works.

And even if they were ‘told’ during indoc, they were getting a lot of information at once. It’s pretty forgivable if they miss some detail on travel policy. So yeah, tell them yourself or take it to the union. No reason to get the company involved.

Pro standards is the union.

Unless things have changed recently, the company won't see it that way. They don't have any sense of humor about travel abuse, and over the years at Eagle and AA, I've known several people who have had their travel privileges suspended.

The company monitors for multiple listings, and now we hear no show bookings (list/check in for early flight, no show but get rolled over to later flight, with original check in time). Playing non-rev games isn't a good idea.

I'll continue to try and talk to anyone who is doing stuff like that. Do you guys have pilot mentors for the new hires? That might be something they can address.

But they can read, write, speak, and understand English, right? There’s a published travel guide on the company site. You don’t need an instructor for everything.

I wasn’t trying to say that the company would forgive it, that’s why I said don’t take it to the company.

I've noticed the same thing on multiple occasions by the same person. They are screwing themselfs when it comes to rolling over to the next flight and everyone behind them. I just haven't been lucky enough to run into the individual yet to talk to them and let them know. If agree with going to the union first and eventually management if needed but pulling them to the side and educating them first may be a better answer. On a side note the D2 to D1 switch at the last minute and taking the JS is getting really old guys....

To me, the breakdown in A12 positive space travel affecting NY pilots is a much bigger issue, but no one seems to care about that. Or NY pilots. So it goes.

Why aren't we able to reserve the jump sest in advance on our metal like AA?

There’s nothing that says you can’t do that. You get six. Use them wisely. If someone uses one to get home for something etc. that’s their own business and that’s the name of the game.

That's a whole other discussion about abuse of privileges there. It's an ok system, but it needs major improvement.

I ran into another WO'd guy doing this. I did say something. He was very defensive and gave a BS reason "I'm just trying to commute". Yeah, so are we all. I'm sure he's at AA now probably still doing the same thing but with the jumpseat. I ran into him a few times afterward and he made it like I was the bad guy for even saying something.

Yep.

It’s like nobody knows who or what pro standards is or does.

What's going on with this situation? I don't know much about what's going on out there.

Just report them

With the attitude, I’d just turn them to employee travel, and let them deal with it.

We have a huge problem with Jumpseat reservation system. People making multiple reservations, and not canceling when they don’t intend to show up. I was told the new flows are the biggest offenders. Hopefully it will change when the web based reservation system happens.

Well, resources like that are less useful when your first impulse is to talk and give your fellow pilot a chance. Then again, some guys are so scared to talk to people they won’t order a pizza over the phone, so I can see why dropping a dime over email would appeal to them.

Not sure what the scope of the issue is, but since earlier this month many NY pilots I’ve talked to can no longer utilize A12 listings. A listing is sent to RES but you can’t retrieve the PNR for check in and are not given a seat or placed on the priority list. This is the case regardless of whether the listing is made by you or by crew scheduling.

Yes, Swayne is in charge of it.

Don’t they just remove you if you no show with seats available? I usually list for AA as a second option when going to work, but typically end up on another airline as my first option and no show AA. Never have I seen myself rolled over.

Just cancel your listing while walking down the jet bridge to you seat. It takes a whole 30 seconds

Yes, you are correct. They will simply remove you. The scenario imagined where someone lists for an earlier flight, no-shows, then drops in front of the D2s for a later flight with their earlier check-in time is in the imagination of the people complaining about it. The only way this might happen is if you run up to the gate before the agents leave but after the flight closes and tell a good story, not exactly a no-show.

Where it is an inconvenience for others is in planning around the first flight, since they may assume the jumpseat is not available and try a different flight with a similar departure time that is otherwise a worse chance, so as a courtesy it is best to knock out your unneeded listings when you get on.

Actually, you can get any gate agent to do it, not just the one working the flight. There are legitimate reasons to have a gate agent change your itinerary but I could see how someone could abuse it too.

From what I understand they aren't supposed to and I've been told NO after getting randomly selected for extra love by TSA and missing a flight.

Maybe just a nasty agent though idk.

I try to remove my AA listing once we push from the gate. Especially on other airlines, getting booted is a real possibility.

Not trying a flight simply because there is a JS ahead of you is their own fault. I got on a flight the other day simply because the JS ahead of me no showed.

Sure, and I've gotten on under similar circumstances. Even an AA flight where the AA tool listed for the JS no-showed and the CA wanted me to go look for the guy to take my seat. I don't agree though that it is completely the fault of the other guy not trying the flight. You have to think about where your best shot is and go stand at that gate, the more accurate the priority list is the better when making those types of decisions.

It's not your seat. It's the captain's.

Same guy whose job it is to go find the guy with the jumpseat listing if that's his inclination, or just say no.

Eye roll.

Actually the company owns the airplane and the seat, the FM stipulates many who cannot be told "no" by a pilot...and what would you know about a jumpseat, I've never actually heard of someone being able to sit upfront on a Dash, do they even have a jumpseat or do you guys just say no to everyone by habit?

CASS
 

How quickly are new hires put into CASS?

Before end of the first week Indoc.

Speaking of commuting. Does anyone do the BOS-LGA commute? How bad is it?

And how easy is it to get those 4 monthly commuter hotels? Do you get re embersed or does that go on a company card with an expense report?

As for the 4 commuter hotels you simply submit a request on decs and it appears shortly after on your hotels page. Nothing to it.

Thank you!

You can request it via quick trade too. It certainly is faster if you don't know DECS like the back of your hand like most of us.