This is true for FOs. It appears CA are flying a reasonable amount. The FO I am flying with only flew 12 hours last month.

The 0400 pre-assigned RAP on the first day of reserve has got to go away. Commuters need the opportunity to commute in the day prior.


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You can blame the pilot group for this one, when 117 rules came around and you needed 10 hours' rest for an assignment people would wait until they got called at midnight to receive a 10AM rap instead of a 4AM. It got so common that the preassigned RAPs became a thing.

Were you here during that time??? If not I suggest you ask around as to why that happened. By your handle I'd say you weren't.

The company exploits every aspect of the contract and they get away with it, so we as a group found a loophole and exploited it to our advantage.

Funny you think to "blame" the pilot group for that.

Doug Parker created the current flow program to deal with two issues. Cost and the pilot shortage. He doesn't care about morale. Being happy is your job, his job is running the company. The only way he will change the pay is if no one shows up to fill his Envoy new hire classes.

AA has the guaranteed flow because it is a cost control measure. I would be asking your negotiating committee who sit across the table from Jerry Glass, and ask them how he responds to their pay requests. The likely response from Jerry is, "let's put a price on a guaranteed job at mainline, what's that's worth?" "That's why your pay is lower, you have a guaranteed job at mainline coming."

https://www.fhsolutionsgroup.com/con...ts/jerry-glass

Parker and Glass don't care about Morale, you show up and do the job or not. If not ,someone else will. It really is that simple and it works just like that at mainline. It does no good to try to educate or lecture AA management about employee morale issues and the possibility of increased productivity. The contract gives them the productivity they need. "Shut up and fly the airplane, we run the company." Doug says it in a nice way but it is clear that's where he stands.

This is mostly true... the finer details could be debatable but many FOs on the 145 ONLY accrued 200ish hours in a year. Most of these pilots went two or three months flying only once or twice. However the over hiring occurred this time last year and seems to be fixed on the hiring side. Residual effects are still being felt by this group. Moving forward I don't think this will happen again.

My morale hasn't been higher since I started. I'm loving this job. However some people would disagree because their experience at Envoy is different than mine.

So the company responded to the actions of the pilot group exploiting the regs..?


Good thing we have a pilot group that participates in the union process actively and makes sure to vote in strong contract language.

oh wait

It all depends on what plane you get. Envoy works basically the same as any other airline on the 175, but CRJ and 145 is very dysfunctional. I’m on the 145 and besides welfare trips scheduling bought me to avoid sending me back to the sim, I’ve averaged 12 hours a month this year, involuntary reserve. This is while proffering for everything that starts and ends within a block of reserve days, asking to be turned back on any open trips, and bidding reserve shifts that have the highest probability of flying.

Pilots weren't exploiting anything. Not confirming your schedule when you are in rest isn't exploiting a loop hole.

The company pre assignment of RAP is exploiting a loop hole.

We need a system that meshes 117 into our reserve system.

The default 4 AM RAP is an abomination, and abusive to commuters, especially at an airline that has bases where none of its pilots can afford to live on their earnings alone. But don’t we have a big thread raging on that topic already titled “Reserve Rule Interpretation?”