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Pedro4President 11-21-2018 10:46 AM

We all know this is going to happen. I don't think it is too far of a stretch to say forced upgrades will likely end in the next two bids. What I predict is when it happens senior FOs that want the 175 aren't going to bid a preference and then get stuck as an FO for the next three months. This is going to allow the 175 to go artificially junior.

With that said I don't think anyone is going to get burned by getting bypassed and missing the forced upgrade. This allows you to upgrade and spend less time on reserve.

Cyio 11-28-2018 02:18 AM


Originally Posted by Pedro4President (Post 2712128)
We all know this is going to happen. I don't think it is too far of a stretch to say forced upgrades will likely end in the next two bids. What I predict is when it happens senior FOs that want the 175 aren't going to bid a preference and then get stuck as an FO for the next three months. This is going to allow the 175 to go artificially junior.

With that said I don't think anyone is going to get burned by getting bypassed and missing the forced upgrade. This allows you to upgrade and spend less time on reserve.

Recent information leads me to believe you are correct. I think we will be hiring DECS for at least the first half of 2019, which means we will also be force upgrading FO's. My guess is summer of 2019 to start setting a proffer if you really want to upgrade. Going to be leaving my proffer blank and going with displacements only.

MD-11Loader 11-28-2018 03:12 AM


Originally Posted by Cyio (Post 2715265)
Recent information leads me to believe you are correct. I think we will be hiring DECS for at least the first half of 2019, which means we will also be force upgrading FO's. My guess is summer of 2019 to start setting a proffer if you really want to upgrade. Going to be leaving my proffer blank and going with displacements only.

I have heard that management believes we need another 120 ish DEC’s.

pitchattitude 11-28-2018 04:17 AM


Originally Posted by MD-11Loader (Post 2715277)
I have heard that management believes we need another 120 ish DEC’s.

I had thought the next two bids, but with what I just heard I think we will see the forced upgrades through the end of next year, especially for those that have more flight time than their peers. As in you have qualifying 121.436 time when you are hired.

Podrick 11-28-2018 05:08 AM


Originally Posted by Cyio (Post 2711289)

I know, it is foolish to proffer in this environment


Not really, I opted for the standing vacancy and my training date is 3 months after the award date. So 3 months as an FO on captain pay, just counting minimum 72 hours/month and I'm almost breaking even with the seat lock bonus.

Add some more credit or OT and you're breaking even and your not risking riding out the CRJ into the sunset. Just depends on what you want and what your seniority is.

Edit: Unless you're specifically talking about proffering to displace? It was hard to tell.

Cyio 11-28-2018 01:11 PM


Originally Posted by Podrick (Post 2715316)
Not really, I opted for the standing vacancy and my training date is 3 months after the award date. So 3 months as an FO on captain pay, just counting minimum 72 hours/month and I'm almost breaking even with the seat lock bonus.

Add some more credit or OT and you're breaking even and your not risking riding out the CRJ into the sunset. Just depends on what you want and what your seniority is.

Edit: Unless you're specifically talking about proffering to displace? It was hard to tell.

I am not knocking the standing vacancy route, just that it is non traditional as isn't always available. Pretty sure if you get a forced upgrade you are sent to training after the proffers as well, also giving you pretty good time as an FO at Captain pay.

My comment was most specifically that if you want a certain base/aircraft and you know you can hold it, then making them displace you to the left seat is the smart move in this environment.

Glad your standing vacancy is working out.

inevitableneb 11-29-2018 03:07 PM

Does anyone have any good info besides past precident on when the next vacancy will actually be.

havick206 11-29-2018 04:24 PM


Originally Posted by inevitableneb (Post 2716284)
Does anyone have any good info besides past precident on when the next vacancy will actually be.

They run the vacancy every three months like clockwork

bigtime209 11-29-2018 04:47 PM


Originally Posted by inevitableneb (Post 2716284)
Does anyone have any good info besides past precident on when the next vacancy will actually be.

Give it 3 weeks.

NoValueAviator 11-29-2018 08:38 PM


Originally Posted by inevitableneb (Post 2716284)
Does anyone have any good info besides past precident on when the next vacancy will actually be.

Do you have any good info besides past precedent that the sun will rise tomorrow?


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