Probationary Checkride
 

Tried geiting some info on the general thread, but nothing definitive, so moving it here.

Has anyone done this probationary checkride, recently? I am getting conflicting info with respect to whether this is a full AQP re-qualification event, or if it is more of a SV/PV event.

This is nowhere near my base month, so it is being scheduled way in advance of when I would be due.

If anyone has gone through the process recently and can provide specific details of what is involved, study guidance, etc., those of us going through would appreciate it.

Yes, I did check the training section of the website. There is absolutely nothing about it listed there.

Thank you.

My probie ride(hire date) a year ago was just an SV/PV at the school house. Then my recurrent was 4 months later. It was a pleasure having 3 orals in 12 months.

Others from my same sim class had their probie ride congruent with their first recurrent (six months early for some odd reason).

Thanks. Exactly what I'm trying to figure out. Sounds like it could go either way, SV/PV, or full-blown recurrent.

Sure would be a nice thing to know/be able to find out.

I was a late 2016 new hire and I did a schoolhouse sv/pv in November the following year.

After that, I went to recurrent in March or April of 2017 and at that point, they I still had to do a probationary ride along with recurrent. So another oral.

I think they do a “contractual” probation ride before the twelve months but the real one as far as they are concerned is when you do recurrent.

Dec 2017 hire and I just did mine last month. It was a full R12 recurrent and your base month will reset.

Great info! Thank you. I guess I should expect R12 as well, since it sounds like everyone is getting the R12 program in 2019.

Also, isn't your first AQP re-qual always R12, then alternating thereafter?

As far as I know, yes.

Not necessarily.
I see some of the crj guys getting r24 for their first recurrent

No you can do either R12 or R 24 the first time the. Alternating after that. With that said everything will be R12 in 2019.

You must have some inside knowledge that no one else has. Everyone doing R12 in 2019? Crazy!! Now I bet you are going to say we are going to do an extra day of sim too?

Don't be jealous, he is right with day 3 being EET or in layman terms extended envelope training.

I think you missed Pedro's tongue-in-cheekness 😎

Got a contract reference? Pretty sure the contract says you’re off probation at the completion of 1 year of service and the “probation ride” is a company creation. Same goes for going into the CPO to “get off probation”. As far as the contract is concerned you’re off probation and have union protection at 12 months, hence the company’s “probie ride” typically being scheduled prior to 12 months while you are still fireable without union intervention.

Correct...

The union has been helping many pilots still on probation facing termination or discipline matters.

The only difference is that if a termination does occur while on probation they can’t grieve and subsequently goto arbitration for a probationary Pilot.

In fact at the moment more probationary pilots are receiving union help than non probationary pilots.

Hope this clarifies a few things.

Minee was r24

In the AQP Student Handbook, there's a list of contacts for the Training Dept./Planners. The planners usually notify you of your specific event (R12 vs R24) but if you didn't get it, try sending them an email. If no response, try sending an email to a training manager. They'd be able to help you figure out what you got.


If it so happens to be in 2019 and will be a full CQ, then yes, it will be the new CQ R12 2019. The AQP Student Handbook explains what that entails.

100 question test for new R12 2019
 

I’m curious what this looks like? Copy and paste of study guide questions perhaps?

If they came in 6 months early it was probably a Special Tracking event due to an Unsat MV or LOE

That would be to easy.....Got to study a little more this year.

"List all the composite airframe parts."

"What is the width of the lavatory opening with the door removed in centimeters"

"What is the minimum Brinnell hardness specification of the N1 fan blades?"

"Weight of the APU battery"

This makes sense, now that you mention this. But at the same time, why do they get 2 events and those of us who don't right get 3. Guess that's just the way the cookie crumbles.

Lol. Hilarious!!!!

How many rivets are there?

How much does a spool of flight line hold?

What color is the wiring behind the overhead panel?


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How many alcohol hand wipes are required in the lav when the sink is in-op?

Where should I turn in my wings?

You guys laugh, but years ago those were the type of questions asked on the 145. EX, "How many light bulbs are in the cabin wing exit light?"

I don't even remember how many N1 fan blades there are.

AQP baby I guess.

I remember back in the day, being asked to list ALL the cabin emergency lights, list and location of all the cabin emergency equipment. "How many primary and secondary windings in the PMA?" List everything on the engine accessory gearbox. I don't miss that stuff at all.

I got hit with everything on the accessory gearbox and cabin emergency equipment too. Must've been doing good.

I agree it is a different time now, but I wish we could find a happy medium. Most who go through long term AQP don't have anywhere near the knowledge or understand of the systems they use to have. Don't even get me started on performance now.

During my last two hour pc oral, before I left I was asked that by one of the infamous check airman on the 145. When I answered "accessories" I thought his head would explode.

I never could get anyone to tell me why they thought that, or the PMA windings was critical knowledge.

Hahaha...was it the A, B or C?

All of this^^^^

The reason is because the FAA feels there isn't any significant improvement in the tasks that a pilot needs to perform these days by having the ability to rebuild the airplane by scratch.

I have always been pragmatic in this sense. If I cant touch it, interact with it or fix it from the cockpit, there is little reason for me to know how it works above the rudimentary information. I mean, knowing how many bolts hold engine together is wasted information that I could better use elsewhere.

They should get away from system heavy knowledge and focus more on real world scenario training as that does far more to enlighten modern pilots that knowing the gearbox crap.

Anyway, thats my take. I only have so much room in training to absorb stuff, prioritize it with stuff that I actually need to know.

Everyone keeps bringing up the gearbox. That to me is solid knowledge to have. Maybe not to the mechanics of it, but if you lose an engine you lose everything in that gear box. And let me tell you it's. HEAP OF stuff!

Truth be told I barely remember ANY of that stuff. Gonna have to cram hard for recurrent, but since I'm on permanent never-fly reserve it shouldn't be a problem.

While I agree with the sentiment of Cyio's post above yours (not word for word), the gearbox is a bad example.