When will LAX base open
 

Any idea when the LAX base will open. I live near sfo and that would be a easy commute

There has been zero indication that an LAX base is coming. Different members of management have hinted that the Compass planes are slated to be transferred here eventually, but they won’t necessarily be in LAX. And even if AAG is actually planning on transferring those plans right now, those plans most certainly can change as they tend to do with AAG. Don’t believe anything until it actually happens.

Believe nothing of what you hear and only half of what you see.

LAX has been reopening next month for three years now. I wouldn't count on it anytime soon.

It is reasonable to wonder what they’ll do with the new 175s. Capacity dumping war on existing routes? many of the markets we go into on the 140/145 are already way over served, flying 10-12 people to/from Chicago all day sure makes the future seem bright

I can’t believe anyone actually believes this rumor

Apparently it is going to happen when AAG buys Mesa.

Right before we get the mainline seniority numbers with a B scale.

And oh, yeah, that will fix the QOL at Envoy as well.

Anything else I didn’t cover?

Reserve improvements coming soon (tm)

No LAX, No pay increases, No reserve changes. This company is always selling something just around the corner.

The problem is the company doesn’t have to sell it. There are enough people to generate and believe it. The company doesn’t have to do anything, especially make any changes because of it.

Its the never ending carrot on a stick syndrome. The next best thing is right around the corner.

What carrot? Seat lock means I have to upgrade to see a 175 base, can’t upgrade unless you fly, can’t fly unless you’re on the 175.

Lax has been reopening next quarter since December 2012. The last time this rumor was rampant we were able to track it down to a flight attendant manager telling new hires lax was coming (complete with survey). The union reps put a stop to that. Lax will probably open the month after I flow. Then I get to be that mainline guy muttering about those dam regional guys taking OUR flying. Haha

Our class was told AA usually tells the company their needs around 6 months in advance, and as of now there are no talks about LAX base opening. So at least to us, management isn't spreading these rumors but rather actively trying to kill it.

Yeah I hear it at least once a week from FA’s that it is opening. They somehow know someone who knows a guy who’s sleeping with so and so that ferries planes for us who said it is a sure thing.

Believe me, if they were planning on opening a base they would say something. Heck from a recruitment standpoint it would be huge not to mention how it would help moral for all the west cost commuters.

So either there is a very strategic reason for not telling us or they simply don’t have a decision yet.

The new hire classes are being told the LAX base is coming soon. We were told that by recruiting and instructors. Classes behind us as well.

Not our class.

Things change weekly, your class doesn't qualify for fresh rumors.

I was at HQ back in 3-4 months ago. I spoke to a member of management who flat out said that the Compass planes are going to be transferred here and insinuated that it was a done deal. When I asked if they would be operated by Envoy in LAX or be integrated elsewhere in the AA network, he said that part they didn't know yet. Take it for what it's worth. As I said before, even if that is in fact the plan for now, it very well may change before it's all said in done. Don't believe anything until you see it.

We had a flight attendant here at Compass leave for Envoy coz she was told by one of the gate agents (envoy) that Envoy was taking the planes and the LAX base next month. Needless to say, she’s been commuting to DFW since 2016.

That's called natural selection :D

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Filler

Well she got a jump on seniority haha

Obviously, IF the planes are transferred, it won't happen until the contract is up. Which is still a little ways off.

Wasn’t that a five year contract? It was signed in 2014, IIRC.


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Five year contract beginning first quarter of 2015.

That’s not that far off then. A year until they start coming offline at Compass. Do you know what the intake rate was then? 2-3 a month I presume.


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You guys seem eager to put the Compass guys out of work for your own personal gain. That's pretty sad.

I don’t think that anyone is eager to put them out of work. And with the rate their guys are getting hired, losing the AA contract would help them fully staff the DL flying. Nobody would be furloughed from the pilot ranks by losing AA. Now if DL takes their planes back that would be a devastating hit.

I don't think the majority of our guys would be happy if those planes came here. It wouldn't benefit our pilot group whatsoever. If anything, it'd be a detriment as it would just mean more required staffing and the resulting QOL hit that comes along with paper thin staffing that we know all too well.

Because of those guys and Skywest I’ve been commuting since 2012. Don’t really care about them to be honest.

But like I said earlier. Highly doubt we see lax as a base anytime soon.

I think your displeasure is misplaced. Look at Envoy and AA management. You really think Compass or Skywest had anything to do with that? All they did was bid for the flying. To be mad at the pilots is just lunacy.


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No one knew MIA or LGA were opening until a day prior.

You choose to commute.

RW was open and to the point in one of his meetings a few months ago that he believes that LAX is coming back and that it will be announced this summer. When you couple the CRJ departure announcement with Isom stating that AAG wants the WO’s and three regionals of size, it makes sense. He was directly quoted as saying regional fleets of twenty aircraft are not efficient, and that AAG loses hundreds of thousands of dollars of profit per airplane that is flown by another carrier. Do I want LAX as a base? Absolutely. Do I want another twenty airplanes to staff? Nope. More airplanes means more excuses by the company as to why they can’t improve our QOL.

This guy gets it

That isn’t true. It is a true statement when you are hired. But after you’ve been based somewhere and have a family and begin to grow your roots. Wife gets career, kids in certain schools. It’s not longer a choice to commute. Back when we lost lax I pondered hard about switching to red stripe virgin or compass (the new kids on the block.) I ultimately couldn’t afford the new hire pay for first officers at the time. I know exactly where to place my blame for losing lax. Right at amr at the time. But did I get any sympathy cards or phone calls from the Skywest or compass guys? Nope so why should I give a f if they will have to commute now?

I’d be willing to bet compass renews the contract, or if they don’t we repo the planes to Dfw and we have Mesa or Skywest continue the flying in lax. But it’s a very fluid industry and know one actually knows what’s going to happen besides isom and miss Chloe

Plus the FA flow to American

I don’t know if I’d put 20 airplanes in the hard to staff category. Between transferring the CRJs, it wouldn’t take but a few of the more tired 145s to go back to the desert to solve that.