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Bassman1985 04-29-2019 09:11 AM
Originally Posted by Al Czervik (Post 2810866)
Seems like a great way to promote a good safety culture.
Amen, brother. Been with MQ 3 years now, and it’s been about 2.5 years since I last saw a carrot. Been seeing a lot more of the stick these days.

dera 04-29-2019 09:42 AM
Originally Posted by Al Czervik (Post 2810821)
Would that not cover a non intentional pilot deviation (if that’s what we’re talking about here)?
ASAP only protects you when it's a sole source event. This wasn't.

Cyio 04-29-2019 10:56 AM
Originally Posted by dera (Post 2810938)
ASAP only protects you when it's a sole source event. This wasn't.
Not totally accurate. Sole source you basically don’t have a time frame and non-sole source you have to report within 24 hours.

ASAP protects from the FAA not the company.

2StgTurbine 04-29-2019 11:59 AM
So what happened?

rld1k 04-29-2019 12:25 PM
Originally Posted by Cyio (Post 2810986)
Not totally accurate. Sole source you basically don’t have a time frame and non-sole source you have to report within 24 hours.

ASAP protects from the FAA not the company.
Does that mean the company can use your ASAP report against you if it's the sole source?

Cyio 04-29-2019 12:26 PM
Originally Posted by 2StgTurbine (Post 2811015)
So what happened?
Made a wrong turn after departing ORD. Controllers caught it before anything happened. Media caught wind of it and it became a story.

Rumor has it a VIP may have been onboard. Who knows, either way the company totally over reacted and didn’t follow its past precedent.

highfarfast 04-29-2019 12:40 PM
Originally Posted by rld1k (Post 2811030)
Does that mean the company can use your ASAP report against you if it's the sole source?
That's how I understand it. It's important to file an ASAP when you need to. But you really don't want to be filing ASAP reports for every little thing 'just in case'.


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