So, instead of your lame ad hominem, what part of my post was incorrect?

You don't ever mention ANY of the negatives to working at Envoy. You only emphasize the positive. About the closest you've come to saying something negative about Envoy is saying guys should only work here if you can live in base. That's why you come off as a cheerleader. Yes, you post facts, but only the facts that paint a rosy picture.

DFW tends to track very senior. You should probably plan on about a year to hold reserve 145 at DFW, and another 6 months to get a line. (This is where Dera comes in to argue "it's only 3 months"). The current DFW 145 plug was awarded it back in October, and is a 9/18 hire. So yes, he got DFW really quick, but that poor guy has been on the bottom of the reserve list for 5 months now with no end in sight. Life as the plug is no fun as you can count on perpetual 6 am airport standby until the next plug comes along.

Like my post before, it is nailing jello to the ceiling. There are a lot of pilots in the system who commute to Chicago or New York, but would prefer DFW. They hold better relative seniority in ORD. The guy who is the plug in DFW might have to wait well over a year for a line as senior guys transfer from other bases to DFW when they can hold a line. Right now, the window for guys transferring to DFW 145 are about Oct 17 to Mar 18 hires. DFW 145 guys also tend to be really senior on the forced upgrade list because they spent a lot of their Envoy time on reserve.

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Not quite 18 months, but I'll give you that, I wasn't thinking about the CRJ guys. They are such a tiny minority that I did forget about them.

The CRJ guys entered into an alternate dimension of Envoy hell. I think the junior line holder on the CA side is a 9/18 hired DEC. His FO (still on reserve) is 400 senior to him.

I guess they are really going away since apparently management already forgot about them.

you conveniently forget about anything that puts the company in a negative light

To an outsider, you lot seem to forget about anything other than that.

I don’t know what methodology dera used to get these figures but sometimes people do bid reserve in significant numbers, so maybe that allowed some lines to go junior. If you take the seat seniority and assume everyone who can hold a hard line bids one, it is a very different picture. And of course composite lines are not lines, the scarcity of open time guarantees that.

In May:

DFE - 11/20/17 hire
NFE - 12/18/17 hire
MFE - 03/12/18 hire
OFE - 03/12/18 hire

Personally, I’m surprised to see Miami go so junior and so NYC so senior. Anyone can see though that in every base you are potentially looking at more than 7 mos of reserve on the WSCOD, and the day one gamble is still very much in effect and will rule your life for your first 2 years as an airline pilot.

Simple, I either had a 3XP for that seat, or I 21'd from the bottom of the seniority list.
There's a large amount of pilots who don't really want to work, and bid reserve. The most senior 175 FO was seniority 199. They displaced him and now he got himself a line. He was reserve for a long time.

Way to much thought is being put into this. You can reasonably except anywhere from 3-9 months of reserve here at Envoy. Could you luck out and get off quick with the right timing, base and aircraft? Sure you could. Is it likely, not really.

The bottom line is reserve time/qol is one of many things that need some serious improvement around here. Like it or not, Envoy is not the gold standard, or hell not even bronze standard anymore.

Much like AA, we have been pushed lower and lower in virtually all categories that matter.

The other thing to consider is, like I and others have said, you will do the reserve thing all over again as Captain. And the longer you spend on reserve as FO, the shorter it will be as captain and vice versa.

This is absolutely correct and the suck will be worse.