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havick206 05-08-2019 10:53 AM


Originally Posted by Tyrion (Post 2816436)
Trying to definitively state reserve times is like trying to nail jello to the ceiling.

There are so many moving parts to determine that bickering over 6-9 months is really pointless. Bases will gain lines and lose lines. All the forced upgrades will come from one base for a couple months causing that base to have rapid movement, while the rest stagnate. People will transfer from one base to another to chase a line. In six months, who knows, maybe everything will flip and suddenly MIA will have all the new FOs and the bottom ORD guy will be on reserve for 12 months.

The bottom line is that Envoy keeps about 350 reserve FOs in the system. Each month has about 50 new hires and 50 people leaving. So, you should probably expect 7 months of reserve. If it's less, consider yourself lucky. If it's more, consider yourself Envoy'd.

^^^^^ this is the most accurate description of how things are regarding reserve for new hire FO’s at Envoy.

Dera cherry picks the the best scenarios, others cherry pick the worst. The above statement is the accurate average.

Ihavenoidea 05-08-2019 12:01 PM

Anyone know how long it would take to hold DFW on the 145 as an FO? It sounds like all new hires on the 145 as of now are starting out at ORD.

dera 05-08-2019 05:21 PM


Originally Posted by havick206 (Post 2816473)
^^^^^ this is the most accurate description of how things are regarding reserve for new hire FO’s at Envoy.

Dera cherry picks the the best scenarios, others cherry pick the worst. The above statement is the accurate average.

My scenario was accurate, not cherry picked, for May. No one knows what happens in June.
I'll update it when the bid awards come out.

TeeRainPULup 05-08-2019 05:43 PM


Originally Posted by dera (Post 2816728)
My scenario was accurate, not cherry picked, for May. No one knows what happens in June.
I'll update it when the bid awards come out.

Please don’t

dera 05-08-2019 05:44 PM


Originally Posted by TeeRainPULup (Post 2816743)
Please don’t

Because the facts don't support your agenda?
Guys. If you stick to facts, people might actually believe you.
Now you are just a joke with all the BS.

TeeRainPULup 05-08-2019 05:45 PM


Originally Posted by dera (Post 2816746)
Because the facts don't support your agenda?
Guys. If you stick to facts, people might actually believe you.
Now you are just a joke with all the BS.

I said nothing about facts, just don’t post a update

dera 05-08-2019 05:50 PM


Originally Posted by TeeRainPULup (Post 2816748)
I said nothing about facts, just don’t post a update

Why is that? I have a problem understanding this concept when its fine to spew BS about 18 month reserve times, but actual numbers are not ok.

Cyio 05-08-2019 05:55 PM


Originally Posted by dera (Post 2816752)
Why is that? I have a problem understanding this concept when its fine to spew BS about 18 month reserve times, but actual numbers are not ok.

Why do you care so much? Even if it was BS than it would benefit you to slow recruiting so that the company more likely to negotiate. Why keep trying to put the company in a positive light?

dera 05-08-2019 05:59 PM


Originally Posted by Cyio (Post 2816759)
Why do you care so much? Even if it was BS than it would benefit you to slow recruiting so that the company more likely to negotiate. Why keep trying to put the company in a positive light?

Not a positive light. Just neutral, and factual.
That way, you know, you actually have some credibility.

Inclined plane 05-08-2019 07:10 PM


Originally Posted by dera (Post 2816761)
Not a positive light. Just neutral, and factual.

That way, you know, you actually have some credibility.



No one cares


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