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UnprotectdPilot 06-21-2019 06:03 AM


Originally Posted by ERAUAV8TR (Post 2824565)
Great News!!!!!!!!

It is known that RW is going class to class telling pilots...Pay is Coming!!!

We will no longer be the bottom low value aviator and greatly talented pilots will want to fly here!!!! Yippee. Congratulations And Well Done MEC...Nicely Done!

MEGA

RW is STILL saying that a month later... :rolleyes:

CA RW – Compensation Improvement Package
06/19/2019

RE: Compensation Improvement Package

Over the past two months we have been working with your ALPA representatives on a package that will increase your compensation. The focus of these changes were two fold, initially to increase rates for current captains and first officers, and additionally to incorporate certain bonuses into revised wage tables.

Each airline’s agreement with their pilot group is unique. Therefore, a lot of time and energy has been spent on what would work best for each side. It would not be fair or appropriate to go into the details of the challenges and associated hard work that has been done at the table by both sides. Despite recent communications on these negotiations, we remain committed to working with your representatives on this compensation package as we believe it is what you deserve.

Envoy pilots are some of the best trained and most professional pilots in the industry. As such, we want you fairly compensated for the great job that you do.

Best regards,

CA RW, VP – Flight Ops


Cool story bro.



ERAUAV8TR 06-21-2019 03:48 PM

Passenger service agents got a raise today! Maybe we should get help from the CWA.

cbrpilot 06-21-2019 05:20 PM

I have a bad feeling that they're holding out on raises in lieu of a new base announcement. I HAVE ZERO EVIDENCE TO BACK THIS UP. I just fear that they will further stall raises here when they announce a new base, thus opening a small floodgate of newhires, and obviously stalling the necessity for Envoy management to give the raise. Thoughts? (Note, I did not mention any particular base...for a reason.)

pitchattitude 06-21-2019 05:39 PM


Originally Posted by cbrpilot (Post 2841080)
I have a bad feeling that they're holding out on raises in lieu of a new base announcement. I HAVE ZERO EVIDENCE TO BACK THIS UP. I just fear that they will further stall raises here when they announce a new base, thus opening a small floodgate of newhires, and obviously stalling the necessity for Envoy management to give the raise. Thoughts? (Note, I did not mention any particular base...for a reason.)

I have been saying this for some time. But doesn’t matter the reason. Anything Envoy can do to put off pay raises is just that much longer they don’t have to pay. Whether something positive for the company or negative for the economy, the company is delaying as long as they can. They have always been reactive instead of proactive. Or maybe one can just argue they are proactively avoiding a pay raise.

f16jetmech 06-21-2019 05:48 PM


Originally Posted by cbrpilot (Post 2841080)
I have a bad feeling that they're holding out on raises in lieu of a new base announcement. I HAVE ZERO EVIDENCE TO BACK THIS UP. I just fear that they will further stall raises here when they announce a new base, thus opening a small floodgate of newhires, and obviously stalling the necessity for Envoy management to give the raise. Thoughts? (Note, I did not mention any particular base...for a reason.)

Everyone knows youre thinking SJU.

pitchattitude 06-21-2019 06:02 PM


Originally Posted by f16jetmech (Post 2841102)
Everyone knows youre thinking SJU.

Nah. I think he’s trying to keep HNL a secret.

UncreativeUser 06-21-2019 10:24 PM


Originally Posted by pitchattitude (Post 2841115)
Nah. I think he’s trying to keep HNL a secret.



Uhh you didn’t hear about us opening a base in SEA with mainline? Gotta keep Delta on their toes


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NoValueAviator 06-22-2019 04:09 AM

If they just wanted to stall until they announced LAX and got a stack of applications 3 stories high from west coast pilots, there was an easier way than drafting and signing an agreement and then throwing a tantrum and ripping it up.

That move cost them huge face in the eyes of everyone I’ve encountered since then, and while I don’t engage in any unauthorized labor actions it is clear from the numbers (plummeting on time performance, manyfold increase in writeups) that a lot of people have had the wind knocked out of their sails.

pitchattitude 06-22-2019 04:55 AM


Originally Posted by NoValueAviator (Post 2841251)
If they just wanted to stall until they announced LAX and got a stack of applications 3 stories high from west coast pilots, there was an easier way than drafting and signing an agreement and then throwing a tantrum and ripping it up.

That move cost them huge face in the eyes of everyone I’ve encountered since then, and while I don’t engage in any unauthorized labor actions it is clear from the numbers (plummeting on time performance, manyfold increase in writeups) that a lot of people have had the wind knocked out of their sails.

Let’s face it. When you have the carpet yanked out from under you by an employer, you are not going to perform with the same level of enthusiasm as before. Not saying anything is being done purposely, people just aren’t going to perform at the same level. Many companies, notably Southwest in the airline industry, realized that happy employees perform better. QOL and pay are usually what make most people happy. Oppressive, deceptive management doesn’t.

LowvalueFO 06-22-2019 06:04 PM


Originally Posted by pitchattitude (Post 2841261)
Let’s face it. When you have the carpet yanked out from under you by an employer, you are not going to perform with the same level of enthusiasm as before. Not saying anything is being done purposely, people just aren’t going to perform at the same level. Many companies, notably Southwest in the airline industry, realized that happy employees perform better. QOL and pay are usually what make most people happy. Oppressive, deceptive management doesn’t.

The sad thing is that this could be a fantastic place to work for, why they keep insisting to make people miserable is just staggering.


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