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rld1k 05-29-2019 03:12 PM


Originally Posted by ERAUAV8TR (Post 2828390)
Mesa fo makes way more! 50k bonus, paid holidays, 40 dollars a month ipad pay, and as much 200 percent ot that you can handle...enjoy ;))

There are FOs at mesa making well over 100k by doing OT, sometimes at 300%

AeroEnvoy 05-29-2019 04:00 PM


Originally Posted by Skyrider6911 (Post 2828377)
Mesa pays first yr FO $36 vs $42 Envoy ?? second year Envoy continue with the Bonus Mesa not

Not quite. Mesas is $36 and envoys is $26. Envoys loa allows 38 first but Mesas is contractural. When ever envoy wants to they can pull that already expired loa and go back to the bankruptcy rates. Mesa can’t do that since they’re protected by their contract.

Houpilot2001 05-29-2019 05:05 PM


Originally Posted by rld1k (Post 2828416)
There are FOs at mesa making well over 100k by doing OT, sometimes at 300%

Checking app status in 3.2.1

highfarfast 05-29-2019 07:02 PM


Originally Posted by Skyrider6911 (Post 2828377)
Mesa pays first yr FO $36 vs $42 Envoy ?? second year Envoy continue with the Bonus Mesa not

Eeeeeh, others have pointed out bigger details than I m gonna say but a 1st year FO at Envoy is not making $42/hr. Not sure where you pulled that.

To me the obvious answer is to scratch Envoy off your list and look at either Mesa or Skywest.

Flyboy68 05-29-2019 07:40 PM


Originally Posted by ERAUAV8TR (Post 2828390)
Mesa fo makes way more! 50k bonus, paid holidays, 40 dollars a month ipad pay, and as much 200 percent ot that you can handle...enjoy ;))

300% open time trips right now.

But he’d be IAD based out of training for a couple of months but would be flying, even if on reserve.

CO Jones 05-30-2019 04:52 AM

Commuting reserve is abysmal - Your QOL will be non-existent.

You will start your first day with a 4 am reserve availability, meaning you will have to arrive the night before. Then, you will likely sit in your hotel or crash pad for 4 out of the scheduled 5 days and on your last day you will get extended long enough to not make your commute home. 11 days off will now magically turn into 8 days when you consider that you have to fly in the night before and leave the day after.

There is no per diem unless you fly, and the parking is contribution is minimal (unless you live in base) - financially speaking it's a losing proposition.

highfarfast 05-30-2019 05:23 AM


Originally Posted by CO Jones (Post 2828685)
Commuting reserve is abysmal - Your QOL will be non-existent.

You will start your first day with a 4 am reserve availability, meaning you will have to arrive the night before. Then, you will likely sit in your hotel or crash pad for 4 out of the scheduled 5 days and on your last day you will get extended long enough to not make your commute home. 11 days off will now magically turn into 8 days when you consider that you have to fly in the night before and leave the day after.

There is no per diem unless you fly, and the parking is contribution is minimal (unless you live in base) - financially speaking it's a losing proposition.

8 days off? If we’re not counting non-work days that we commute as days off (which is what I thought you were doing), I had 5 full days at home my first month out of the schoolhouse. Very fast movement at the time I was hired and a base transfer made that just a one month problem... for ME. It would have lasted longer if I was a new hire today.

CO Jones 05-30-2019 06:20 AM

Fair enough, I was being generous - but yes you are absolutely right

Cyio 05-30-2019 06:59 AM


Originally Posted by highfarfast (Post 2828699)
8 days off? If we’re not counting non-work days that we commute as days off (which is what I thought you were doing), I had 5 full days at home my first month out of the schoolhouse. Very fast movement at the time I was hired and a base transfer made that just a one month problem... for ME. It would have lasted longer if I was a new hire today.

Yeah bingo. We have arguably the worst reserve rules for junior pilots in the industry. You will hate it. Plan on looking at 6-12 months of doing it if things don’t get worse in the industry. The top 10% love our system and will fight for it to not change.

Skyrider6911 05-30-2019 08:08 AM


Originally Posted by CO Jones (Post 2828685)
Commuting reserve is abysmal - Your QOL will be non-existent.

You will start your first day with a 4 am reserve availability, meaning you will have to arrive the night before. Then, you will likely sit in your hotel or crash pad for 4 out of the scheduled 5 days and on your last day you will get extended long enough to not make your commute home. 11 days off will now magically turn into 8 days when you consider that you have to fly in the night before and leave the day after.

There is no per diem unless you fly, and the parking is contribution is minimal (unless you live in base) - financially speaking it's a losing proposition.

You are exactly right..! that is what I don't want to do...no mention that your new hire bonus ($22000 ) will go away quickly if you are not able to do OT, unfortunately this is the price that we have to pay if we want to fly for the airlines. Another thing is Health Insurance I've a family of 3 how much will be cut for my paycheck?


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