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blackbox348 06-11-2019 05:38 PM


Originally Posted by AB321Driver (Post 2835372)
Mia-stt
mia-sxm

Do either of these have a LaQuinta?

Varsity 06-11-2019 07:30 PM


Originally Posted by blackbox348 (Post 2835377)
Do either of these have a LaQuinta?

Nope, but both have a Wyndham

havick206 06-11-2019 07:40 PM


Originally Posted by Varsity (Post 2835418)
Nope, but both have a Wyndham

Which is also la Quinta now.

KodiakRS 06-14-2019 03:14 PM

Is the MQ certificate allowed to do EOW? Unless my memory fails me all the ATR's were on the EX cert.

buddies8 06-14-2019 04:49 PM

Yes........

airlinegypsy 06-14-2019 09:52 PM


Originally Posted by KodiakRS (Post 2836855)
Is the MQ certificate allowed to do EOW? Unless my memory fails me all the ATR's were on the EX cert.



MQ certificate never had any EOW water capable aircraft and no crew members were ever trained for it. NA (executive) was. All crew members were initially qualified by jumping into the pool and climbing in a raft.


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Tpinks 06-21-2019 08:18 AM


Originally Posted by 3GreenKSNA (Post 2835225)
Extended over water allows an aircraft to fly beyond 50NM from the coast line.

ETOPS = Extended Twin engine operations.

This allows an operator to fly a twin engine aircraft greater than one hour at single engine cruise speed from an alternate airport. There are different tiers of ETOPS, 120 minute and 180 minute. This does not apply to three and four engine aircraft.

A MEL for an ETOPS aircraft is a lot more stringent than for a non ETOPS. It is possible for an aircraft to be still airworthy but downgraded to non ETOPS compliant. Also maintenance intervals for ETOPS aircraft are more frequent.



-Keep the dirty side down

ETOPS is no longer Extended Twin Operation’s. Now it’s ExTended OPerationS and includes all aircraft. It has been this way since 2007. The 747-8 was the first airliner with more than two engines certified under ETOPS.

There are also numerous ETOPS levels, predominantly 60, 90, 120/138, 180/207, 270, 330.

amcnd 06-21-2019 11:12 AM


Originally Posted by Tpinks (Post 2840774)
ETOPS is no longer Extended Twin Operation’s. Now it’s ExTended OPerationS and includes all aircraft. It has been this way since 2007. The 747-8 was the first airliner with more than two engines certified under ETOPS.

There are also numerous ETOPS levels, predominantly 60, 90, 120/138, 180/207, 270, 330.

Most regionals do the 120...

MD-11Loader 06-21-2019 02:40 PM

I flew on the newest 175 two days ago and it doesn’t have any over water equipment. Money says that this story of rafts and life jackets is a tall tale.

Cyio 06-21-2019 02:50 PM


Originally Posted by MD-11Loader (Post 2840990)
I flew on the newest 175 two days ago and it doesn’t have any over water equipment. Money says that this story of rafts and life jackets is a tall tale.

I would agree. It makes no sense for Envoy to have that option.

dvtpilot 06-21-2019 07:38 PM

I don’t know what routine they use for delivery flights, but is it possible some extra equipment is installed for those long range delivery flights then removed during conformity?

pitchattitude 06-21-2019 08:53 PM


Originally Posted by dvtpilot (Post 2841155)
I don’t know what routine they use for delivery flights, but is it possible some extra equipment is installed for those long range delivery flights then removed during conformity?

Possible, but those flights aren’t 121, so different regs.

dera 06-22-2019 03:12 AM


Originally Posted by pitchattitude (Post 2841194)
Possible, but those flights aren’t 121, so different regs.

More likely explanation is that they are removed during conformance and kept in ABI until they are needed.

Varsity 06-22-2019 03:47 AM


Originally Posted by dera (Post 2841233)
More likely explanation is that they are removed during conformance and kept in ABI until they are needed.

They were never installed dude.

Envoy doesn't have anything overwater.. anywhere.

Cyio 06-22-2019 04:07 AM


Originally Posted by dera (Post 2841233)
More likely explanation is that they are removed during conformance and kept in ABI until they are needed.

Its looking like this entire thing was a non-issue. As many have said, Envoy doesn't have nor want any over water operation operations. It is, in my point of view, not worth the hassle for the company. The company would be much better served using existing fleet and future fleet to expand west to eat away at Skywests main market.

NoValueAviator 06-22-2019 04:16 AM

Envoy doesn’t decide what Envoy does. Neither does AAG. Republic and Skywest do. What they don’t want or can’t do for a month, that’s what winds up in our bid packet. See: DFW-CLL.

We do seem to be able to bully Piedmont to some extent though. As an eternally junior FO, all I fly is former Piedmont pairings.

450knotOffice 06-24-2019 10:27 AM


Originally Posted by amcnd (Post 2840886)
Most regionals do the 120...

That’s was tongue in cheek, right?

ETOPS and EOW are two different animals.

moon 06-24-2019 12:29 PM


Originally Posted by MD-11Loader (Post 2840990)
I flew on the newest 175 two days ago and it doesn’t have any over water equipment. Money says that this story of rafts and life jackets is a tall tale.

It came from a DECS code. Probably just a place holder till delivery. JDM*tailnumber

TheRaven 06-25-2019 04:47 PM


Originally Posted by amcnd (Post 2840886)
Most regionals do the 120...

Lol....show me 1 Route you fly where you’re 120 min from an airport you could land at.


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