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-   -   Company reneged on pay package (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/envoy-airlines/122386-company-reneged-pay-package.html)

wildcat1 06-15-2019 04:33 PM
Union must have got us a great deal. Remember the first rule of negotiations, always be willing to walk away. This isn't over.

But if, in the mean time, the company got a butt load of PRIA requests from PSA and Piedmont that probably wouldn't hurt our chances.

full of luv 06-15-2019 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by MD-11Loader (Post 2837324)
It appears that Envoy was poised to make gains above what the others did and that probably got someone all riled up at AAG.
Maybe it wasn't for 16 years in duration like in the 90's

chrisreedrules 06-15-2019 04:48 PM
As I understand it, just like for PSA and Piedmont, the deal AAG offered was for pay rates and nothing more. Envoy made some substantial gains including pay rates. AAG said no.

WO managements are really nothing more than middle management running small airlines. Major changes to work rules and compensation still need approval from AAG.

MD-11Loader 06-15-2019 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by chrisreedrules (Post 2837403)
As I understand it, just like for PSA and Piedmont, the deal AAG offered was for pay rates and nothing more. Envoy made some substantial gains including pay rates. AAG said no.

WO managements are really nothing more than middle management running small airlines. Major changes to work rules and compensation still need approval from AAG.
Ours was different in that they came to us with pay raises and concessions and the union said no. We can’t all just be AAG’s favorite love doll like you guys are.

mketch11 06-15-2019 05:16 PM
What is the point of signing an agreement when there is no consequence if you go back on it?

Varsity 06-15-2019 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by mketch11 (Post 2837413)
What is the point of signing an agreement when there is no consequence if you go back on it?
Wondering this as well. The union didn't even draft the agreement language, the company did. Twice.

chrisreedrules 06-15-2019 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by MD-11Loader (Post 2837412)
Ours was different in that they came to us with pay raises and concessions and the union said no. We can’t all just be AAG’s favorite love doll like you guys are.
Why would they come to Envoy looking for concessions and not PSA or Piedmont?

MD-11Loader 06-15-2019 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by chrisreedrules (Post 2837420)
Why would they come to Envoy looking for concessions and not PSA or Piedmont?
Because you all are the beloved of US Airways for your past actions. PDT tried to get work rules improvements and they were shot down. Our management hates us. They thought a deal that paid us roughly $8/hr less than you was acceptable.

chrisreedrules 06-15-2019 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by MD-11Loader (Post 2837423)
Because you all are the beloved of US Airways for your past actions. PDT tried to get work rules improvements and they were shot down. Our management hates us. They though a deal that paid us roughly $8/hr less than you was acceptable.
They’ll come back to the table. They’ll have to.

MD-11Loader 06-15-2019 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by chrisreedrules (Post 2837429)
They’ll come back to the table. They’ll have to.
Agreed. Their decision making was poor and they have now united the pilots in hatred towards them.


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