Company reneged on pay package
 

Check your email. Company backed out on deal yet again. I think I speak for everyone when I say,

**** You Pay Me.

Planes don't fly without pilots, just sayin'.

Envoy approved, AAG did not any longer.


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Maybe, maybe not. If that is truly the case, then the company was not truthful then when they came to the table.

The AAG talk of them stepping in and stopping it is bull ****, right?

Even if this were true, they never indicated during negotiations that it would require AA to sign off. They made a deal in bad faith.

Aag approved pay raises for us a while ago, right? So how could it be that getting pay raises is suddenly not ok with aag?

Oh my sweet summer child.

union busting 101

Problem is Envoy pilot group is so divided. We have 1/3 of the pilot group who would pay to fly a shiny jet so they don't care how much they get worked or paid, or beaten. Then the top 1/3 want nothing but flow, they'd give a kidney for one extra flow a month. Then the rest just want good working conditions and a industry leading or even average qol. We need to all come together as one group of pilots and make it about us all vs management, not us vs each other...

It appears that Envoy was poised to make gains above what the others did and that probably got someone all riled up at AAG.

F U P M.

fly those planes safely...

Safely indeed, with a focus on passenger comfort.

I just want to step in here and say that I support the NC and MEC. Thank you for your hard work. Let this be a call to make our union stronger!

Use your networking, be truthful, and let prospective pilots and the rest of the industry know what’s really going on at Envoy.

I too stand with the union.

So...... now what?

Pick up more OT. And when they offer 200% pick up more OT. Fly .77. Remind ops every time we don’t have something for the flight. Taxi fast on 1 engine, wait for GPU.

I get what you are laying down......

Company reneged on pay package
 

Classic Eagle move. What are the chances mgmt negotiators come back to the table next week with redacted version of agreement?

Extremely unlikely

Union must have got us a great deal. Remember the first rule of negotiations, always be willing to walk away. This isn't over.

But if, in the mean time, the company got a butt load of PRIA requests from PSA and Piedmont that probably wouldn't hurt our chances.

Maybe it wasn't for 16 years in duration like in the 90's

As I understand it, just like for PSA and Piedmont, the deal AAG offered was for pay rates and nothing more. Envoy made some substantial gains including pay rates. AAG said no.

WO managements are really nothing more than middle management running small airlines. Major changes to work rules and compensation still need approval from AAG.

Ours was different in that they came to us with pay raises and concessions and the union said no. We can’t all just be AAG’s favorite love doll like you guys are.

What is the point of signing an agreement when there is no consequence if you go back on it?

Wondering this as well. The union didn't even draft the agreement language, the company did. Twice.

Why would they come to Envoy looking for concessions and not PSA or Piedmont?

Because you all are the beloved of US Airways for your past actions. PDT tried to get work rules improvements and they were shot down. Our management hates us. They thought a deal that paid us roughly $8/hr less than you was acceptable.

They’ll come back to the table. They’ll have to.

Agreed. Their decision making was poor and they have now united the pilots in hatred towards them.

That right there, they managed to **** off pretty much everyone.

Well, we haven’t heard from dera yet, so MAYBE not everyone. 🤣

Hats off to the union for sending that email. I hope the company has read it.

Lol you know Dera is definitely lurking hard tho

The big question is WHAT will the pilot group do with that hatred?

Next time the union better only accept more since time had past and management has screwed with us and negotiated in bad faith. If we don't make them pay for this than we have failed as a union.

I’ve been contacting the union for a little while now on why I haven’t been getting the emails. Can anyone pm me the most recent one?

And if AAG is really controlling everything here then WTF are we doing as their “regional” feeder. If they call the shots then pay us as mainline. Let this place burn and dismantle before accepting anything subpar than what was offered today.

Agreed. It’s gonna be a very interesting summer.

No need to keep it private, everyone should know...

June 15th 2019
Fellow Pilots,

On Tuesday I signed an Agreement in Principle, along with the Envoy Senior Labor Relations Counsel and management's lead negotiator, to secure a comprehensive compensation improvement package for the pilots at Envoy. The Agreement in Principle was reached following a day of intense negotiations and was predicated on previous negotiating meetings. In preparing for the final round of negotiations it was made clear that neither the MEC, nor the pilots at Envoy, would accept any deal which left us lagging in compensation or had concessions attached to compensation improvements.

Once an Agreement in Principle is signed, the significant terms of an agreement are in place and the negotiating process is essentially over, with the tenets of the deal in place. The next step is drafting and editing contract language implementing the essential terms of the agreement. Sometimes this drafting process takes time, however Envoy management seemed determined to alleviate the mounting pressure they are experiencing to increase compensation and quality of life at Envoy due to the recent ratification of pay rate increases at Piedmont, as well as the PSA deal that was inked in early April. As such, we expected a language pass to be presented to us quickly. After the Agreement in Principle was signed, I called an MEC meeting via teleconference for Wednesday night in anticipation that draft contract language would be prepared and ready for evaluation by the MEC.

On Wednesday, the Company sent their first language pass derived from the Agreement in Principle that was signed by both parties on Tuesday. The language arrived less than two hours prior to the MEC teleconference, so there was not adequate time to thoroughly review and make technical corrections to the language reflecting our agreement prior to the teleconference. During the teleconference I updated the MEC on the progress of negotiations. Although the Agreement in Principle doesn't provide every provision we were seeking, it is a document that we found satisfactory and agreed to, and one that I believe the MEC would ratify.

The Agreement in Principle that Envoy management and your MEC Chairman agreed to includes many positive provisions for the pilots at Envoy without concessions. Some of the highlights are below:

Pay rates would be increased to a level slightly higher than those at PSA with retroactivity to May 15.
Pay-out upon flow through or retirement of accrued sick banks
Improvements to Reserve work rules which provide increased time off and more predictability
A reduction of pilot contribution to health care costs
Several Letters of Intent and agreements including Grievance Settlements which would provide a remedy for the affected pilots
All the recent progress came to a screeching halt late on Friday afternoon.

On Thursday, the MEC Officers, Contract Compliance Committee Chairman, and Envoy ALPA Senior Labor Relations Counsel worked throughout the day to vet and edit the language pass from the company. Late Thursday, we transmitted our revised language, which consisted of minor edits and clean-ups, back to the Company for their review. Then on Friday, I was told by Management's lead negotiator that the Company would be backing out of the Agreement in Principle that was agreed to earlier this week. The excuse given was that AAG had told Envoy management that they had exceeded their authority. At no time during this round of negotiations, and at no time before the Company signed the AIP on Tuesday, did Envoy indicate that their authority was limited or subject to the veto of AAG. This after the fact excuse to welsh on our agreement is in no way consistent with good faith negotiations.

This isn't the first time that our management has demonstrated bad faith in negotiations – a recent example being the failed Reserve Rules change proposals from negotiations ending in January. However, the impact of management reneging on this Agreement in Principle is far more damaging. The credibility of our management has been completely undermined by their actions this week, leaving us unable to trust that they will follow through on future agreements. This behavior is unacceptable.

Whether or not AAG is stepping in to rescind our agreement, or Envoy management ever actually conferred with AAG when they claimed to, is immaterial at this point. They made an agreement and are now repudiating it in bad faith. We cannot continue to pursue good faith negotiations with a management team that is incapable of following through on the agreements they make with the Association.

Envoy management is either unable to identify the mounting challenges facing the viability of the operation, or they are engaged in an effort to turn the pilots against their representatives in a desperate attempt at union busting. It is often assumed that management's actions are nefarious, but this week's events demonstrate that they simply are not committed to negotiate in good faith. Only when AAG recognizes and acknowledges that the pilots of Envoy demand an agreement that provides pay parity relative to the industry measured in real compensation, and not just pay rate tables, will it be possible for us to view it as a partner acting in good faith to offer a career path that meets industry standards. My profound disappointment in our management is shared by your LEC Representatives, the other MEC Officers, and volunteers who work tirelessly to represent the best interests of the pilot group day in and day out.

Originally, when we sent our update last Friday, a communication explaining why we hadn't come to an agreement was in development and slated for distribution. We determined that the signing of an Agreement in Principle, which represented the framework for tangible, durable, ratifiable, and much needed compensation improvements, eliminated the need to distribute that communication. Now that the company has reneged on the signed Agreement in Principle, it seems prudent to share with the pilot group the reasons why we are where we are. Following the transmittal of this update, we are also distributing a communication which was originally slated for distribution earlier this week.

You have the right to be angry.

You have the right to be disappointed.

Your management has failed you yet again.

You deserve proper compensation.

You deserve acceptable work rules.

Your Local Representatives are advocating for you tirelessly.

Your Officers and Committee Volunteers continue to focus on providing the services the pilots require.

I will not rest in my representation of the pilot group, my responsibility and duty to you.



It is never pleasant to be the bearer of bad news. Today marks the latest unwarranted disparagement of Envoy Pilots in a series of adversarial and toxic interactions initiated by Envoy management. We ask you in the meantime to continue to exhibit professionalism.


In Unity,

Steven Pallai

ENY MEC Chairman