Logic checks out.


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Endeavor or better FUPM

That would be awesome, and I sincerely hope we get that.

I’ve got a feeling though that if newhire numbers drop (and that’s a huge “if” thanks to the company setting up a steady supply of cadets/RTP), the company may pull a “FUINB” (..increase newhire bonuses) just to spite. Sure hope I’m wrong.


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You must be really new to the airline world. FUPM is a battlecry of Labor going back decades.

Envoys reputation is in free fall among cadets, CFI’s and applicants. I think management really underestimates how hard that will be to bring back, especially with the flow slowing down soon. One of my friends who received an offer here is off to Skywest now.

I wish this kind of drumbeat of management is evil, hates us, and would rather run the airline into the ground than toss us scraps had been out there when I was looking for regionals to work for. I could’ve used the first 2-5 years as an airline pilot far more productively.

No matter what happens with pay, contract, work rules, LOAs... that’s the gift that keeps on giving. Can’t wait to see how many poor EMJ FOs are getting tossed into the NYC meat grinder with no hotels.

He holds no management positions. He also is not involved in any ALPA work that puts him in a position to know anything about what's going on. We might as well ask the new hire FA's what our future holds. :rolleyes:

I’m just over 3.5 years on property, first airline gig. So yes, relatively new to the industry. I’m also in my early 40’s and level headed, and my comments were genuinely aimed at helping our group get raises.

That’s great news if what you say is true about the company’s reputation and its negative effect on recruitment.


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Huh? Are we talking about the same person? He is the Legislative Affairs Rep. He's also a district advocate for national. You are comparing him to new hire FA's. double rolleyes.

I dont believe anything till I hear it from a gate agent or orange vested ramper.

FUPM.

Or maybe the DCL CA that's already been hired as the LA CP would have some inside info for us.

I’m all for the FUPM Battlecry as well.

But one thing I hope all of you are doing (Especially Captains) is preaching this to your FO’s and definately the New Hires in property.

They need to know the history and definitely not to take less than what we deserve.

Agreed, anyone talking about giving in should just quit and go to PSA to be among their kind with the other yes voters and cowards.

Me: gets new union email
Union email: “in this issue: AIP update”
Me: holy crap! reads further down
Union email: just kidding

BaHahahahahaha same.

I don't even read the emails anymore. I get my news from Facebook, APC and The View.

Time for a meme post.

Was there another email? I haven't received anything since news of the AIP.

MEC NewsBlast came out this afternoon that said In this issue:

Update on AIP, followed by “A stand alone communication regarding the AIP... to be distributed in the near future.”

seriously, what a tease

This is phenomenal work. Well done!

Looks like no progress has been made in a month.

Not with 30 new hires in class

ENY: we can’t give you what was in the AIP because AAG won’t give us the authority

MEC: which part can you not negotiate?

ENY: cooling off period...

MEC: ok so what CAN you negotiate?

ENY: 2nd cooling off period...

ENY 2 weeks from now: so how about those PSA rates?

ENY: we have a thousand cadets lined up who would do your job for free. FUPME? FU. GFY.

they better at least make the ********** coffee

Don’t forget who controls this negotiation: https://iam141.org/nmb-to-american-w...-negotiations/