Originally Posted by pitchattitude (Post 2837470)

Well, we haven’t heard from dera yet, so MAYBE not everyone. 🤣

Originally Posted by MEGAFUPM (Post 2837479)

Lol you know Dera is definitely lurking hard tho

Originally Posted by blackbox348 (Post 2837505)

No need to keep it private, everyone should know...

June 15th 2019
Fellow Pilots,

On Tuesday I signed an Agreement in Principle, along with the Envoy Senior Labor Relations Counsel and management's lead negotiator, to secure a comprehensive compensation improvement package for the pilots at Envoy. The Agreement in Principle was reached following a day of intense negotiations and was predicated on previous negotiating meetings. In preparing for the final round of negotiations it was made clear that neither the MEC, nor the pilots at Envoy, would accept any deal which left us lagging in compensation or had concessions attached to compensation improvements.

Once an Agreement in Principle is signed, the significant terms of an agreement are in place and the negotiating process is essentially over, with the tenets of the deal in place. The next step is drafting and editing contract language implementing the essential terms of the agreement. Sometimes this drafting process takes time, however Envoy management seemed determined to alleviate the mounting pressure they are experiencing to increase compensation and quality of life at Envoy due to the recent ratification of pay rate increases at Piedmont, as well as the PSA deal that was inked in early April. As such, we expected a language pass to be presented to us quickly. After the Agreement in Principle was signed, I called an MEC meeting via teleconference for Wednesday night in anticipation that draft contract language would be prepared and ready for evaluation by the MEC.

On Wednesday, the Company sent their first language pass derived from the Agreement in Principle that was signed by both parties on Tuesday. The language arrived less than two hours prior to the MEC teleconference, so there was not adequate time to thoroughly review and make technical corrections to the language reflecting our agreement prior to the teleconference. During the teleconference I updated the MEC on the progress of negotiations. Although the Agreement in Principle doesn't provide every provision we were seeking, it is a document that we found satisfactory and agreed to, and one that I believe the MEC would ratify.

The Agreement in Principle that Envoy management and your MEC Chairman agreed to includes many positive provisions for the pilots at Envoy without concessions. Some of the highlights are below:

Pay rates would be increased to a level slightly higher than those at PSA with retroactivity to May 15.
Pay-out upon flow through or retirement of accrued sick banks
Improvements to Reserve work rules which provide increased time off and more predictability
A reduction of pilot contribution to health care costs
Several Letters of Intent and agreements including Grievance Settlements which would provide a remedy for the affected pilots
All the recent progress came to a screeching halt late on Friday afternoon.

On Thursday, the MEC Officers, Contract Compliance Committee Chairman, and Envoy ALPA Senior Labor Relations Counsel worked throughout the day to vet and edit the language pass from the company. Late Thursday, we transmitted our revised language, which consisted of minor edits and clean-ups, back to the Company for their review. Then on Friday, I was told by Management's lead negotiator that the Company would be backing out of the Agreement in Principle that was agreed to earlier this week. The excuse given was that AAG had told Envoy management that they had exceeded their authority. At no time during this round of negotiations, and at no time before the Company signed the AIP on Tuesday, did Envoy indicate that their authority was limited or subject to the veto of AAG. This after the fact excuse to welsh on our agreement is in no way consistent with good faith negotiations.

This isn't the first time that our management has demonstrated bad faith in negotiations – a recent example being the failed Reserve Rules change proposals from negotiations ending in January. However, the impact of management reneging on this Agreement in Principle is far more damaging. The credibility of our management has been completely undermined by their actions this week, leaving us unable to trust that they will follow through on future agreements. This behavior is unacceptable.

Whether or not AAG is stepping in to rescind our agreement, or Envoy management ever actually conferred with AAG when they claimed to, is immaterial at this point. They made an agreement and are now repudiating it in bad faith. We cannot continue to pursue good faith negotiations with a management team that is incapable of following through on the agreements they make with the Association.

Envoy management is either unable to identify the mounting challenges facing the viability of the operation, or they are engaged in an effort to turn the pilots against their representatives in a desperate attempt at union busting. It is often assumed that management's actions are nefarious, but this week's events demonstrate that they simply are not committed to negotiate in good faith. Only when AAG recognizes and acknowledges that the pilots of Envoy demand an agreement that provides pay parity relative to the industry measured in real compensation, and not just pay rate tables, will it be possible for us to view it as a partner acting in good faith to offer a career path that meets industry standards. My profound disappointment in our management is shared by your LEC Representatives, the other MEC Officers, and volunteers who work tirelessly to represent the best interests of the pilot group day in and day out.

Originally, when we sent our update last Friday, a communication explaining why we hadn't come to an agreement was in development and slated for distribution. We determined that the signing of an Agreement in Principle, which represented the framework for tangible, durable, ratifiable, and much needed compensation improvements, eliminated the need to distribute that communication. Now that the company has reneged on the signed Agreement in Principle, it seems prudent to share with the pilot group the reasons why we are where we are. Following the transmittal of this update, we are also distributing a communication which was originally slated for distribution earlier this week.

You have the right to be angry.

You have the right to be disappointed.

Your management has failed you yet again.

You deserve proper compensation.

You deserve acceptable work rules.

Your Local Representatives are advocating for you tirelessly.

Your Officers and Committee Volunteers continue to focus on providing the services the pilots require.

I will not rest in my representation of the pilot group, my responsibility and duty to you.



It is never pleasant to be the bearer of bad news. Today marks the latest unwarranted disparagement of Envoy Pilots in a series of adversarial and toxic interactions initiated by Envoy management. We ask you in the meantime to continue to exhibit professionalism.


In Unity,

Steven Pallai

ENY MEC Chairman

Originally Posted by fatman (Post 2837493)

I’ve been contacting the union for a little while now on why I haven’t been getting the emails. Can anyone pm me the most recent one?

Originally Posted by MD-11Loader (Post 2837538)

log into your ALPA profile and look at your email preferences. You might not have selected to receive them

Originally Posted by fatman (Post 2837544)

Yeah I had looked into that. I used to get them all but stopped right around the first announcement of the PSA pay raise in April. Already checked into the email preferences and I’m opted in to receive everything. Just no luck.

Originally Posted by MD-11Loader (Post 2837546)

PM me. I can send you the comms chair’s email.

Originally Posted by UncreativeUser (Post 2837278)

Envoy approved, AAG did not any longer.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Originally Posted by buddies8 (Post 2837683)

That's b.s., if aag controls the strings as they do then a representative of aag should have been involved in the negotiations. Oh wait, envoy mgt are representatives of aag. Mgt reason is b.s. be safe out there, remember the 3 principles we operate on.

Originally Posted by fatman (Post 2837544)

Yeah I had looked into that. I used to get them all but stopped right around the first announcement of the PSA pay raise in April. Already checked into the email preferences and I’m opted in to receive everything. Just no luck.

Originally Posted by Pedro4President (Post 2837716)

I might be staying the obvious but have you checked your spam folder?

Originally Posted by at6d (Post 2837824)

Insert any random date from Jan 2000 to today-seems like all is as it has been for Eagle/Envoy. As long as new meat cycles through the system they can do the same thing over and over, and they will.

Originally Posted by blackbox348 (Post 2838156)

How’s life on the line? Any idea what’s next?

Originally Posted by Houpilot2001 (Post 2838157)

Very safe on the line. What's next, FIIK.

Originally Posted by FUPMEagle (Post 2838204)

Remember, pilot physiology is very important. If you are sick, or fatigued you shouldn't be flying. Also remember back to your training and the IMSAFE checklist. Make sure you're taking meal breaks as necessary, you gotta eat and stay hydrated during the day!

Originally Posted by ZeroTT (Post 2838255)

Wink wink nudge nudge hurts the pilot group. Do your job same as always

Originally Posted by Jumpseatcrawler (Post 2838276)

🙌🏻

Fly your contract. It’s business as usual, for now... Follow the rules and Wait for union instructions.

Originally Posted by at6d (Post 2837824)

Insert any random date from Jan 2000 to today-seems like all is as it has been for Eagle/Envoy. As long as new meat cycles through the system they can do the same thing over and over, and they will.

Originally Posted by UnprotectdPilot (Post 2838437)

Any new developments?

Originally Posted by UnprotectdPilot (Post 2838437)

Any new developments?

Originally Posted by Crewroomjoe (Post 2838470)

There is a gofund me for a billboard.
https://www.gofundme.com/we-want-the-aip

Originally Posted by dera (Post 2838489)

Donated.
Instead of moaning at this insignificant internet board, this sh_t is much more powerful stuff.

Originally Posted by MEGAFUPM (Post 2838503)

So you're no longer going to defend management/envoy at every chance possible?

Originally Posted by highfarfast (Post 2838508)

No. It works much better for him to pretend to be one of us for a while. Later, he’ll go back to his ‘pilots are dumb’/‘management is cool’ story. Just give it some time.

Originally Posted by ENH017 (Post 2838480)

Looking through the names on the contributers list is ****ing hilarious

Originally Posted by dera (Post 2838514)

Nope, never said management is cool. Just that if you would stick to facts, then I wouldn't need to correct you.
re. the reneg fiasco, management 100% sucks, no argument there.

MEC said they negotiated the deal in a day, so hoping we will get an update pretty soon. That's all I've got to say about that. And I donated to the gofundme.

Originally Posted by MEGAFUPM (Post 2838522)

It did not take a day. PSA got their raise the first week of April. We're on our 5th paycheck since then

Originally Posted by dera (Post 2838525)

"After a day of intense negotiations".

Originally Posted by dera (Post 2838514)

MEC said they negotiated the deal in a day...

Originally Posted by highfarfast (Post 2838543)

That’s what you took from that email? MmmmK. ;)

Originally Posted by dera (Post 2838545)

Yea, only thing I read about it.

Originally Posted by dera (Post 2838525)

"After a day of intense negotiations".