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ERAUAV8TR 07-03-2019 03:58 PM

Why are people leaving?
 
The last few FOs I flew with are all leaving to go to spirit and Jetblue?

But...but...the flow?

Company needs to wake up fast! Good talent is leaving!!!

MEGA

Tomhawker 07-03-2019 04:28 PM

RW guys needed a place to start. Envoy gave them that opportunity but also gives them little reason to stay. I expect to see many of them leave as soon as they get a call elsewhere.

MD-11Loader 07-03-2019 04:28 PM


Originally Posted by ERAUAV8TR (Post 2847278)
The last few FOs I flew with are all leaving to go to spirit and Jetblue?

But...but...the flow?

Company needs to wake up fast! Good talent is leaving!!!

MEGA

Good for them! I’m happy whenever someone moves on to greener pastures.

wiz5422 07-03-2019 04:29 PM


Originally Posted by ERAUAV8TR (Post 2847278)
The last few FOs I flew with are all leaving to go to spirit and Jetblue?

But...but...the flow?

Company needs to wake up fast! Good talent is leaving!!!

MEGA

Why would They? CAs aren't really going many places so why give raises when they have a line out the door to replace those FOs that are under 2 years on property. It has been this way for awhile now hence no pay raises.

like another poster said, PDT and PSS had hiring trouble hence the pay raises, envoy doesn't so no need for pay raises.

rld1k 07-03-2019 04:55 PM


Originally Posted by wiz5422 (Post 2847295)
Why would They? CAs aren't really going many places so why give raises when they have a line out the door to replace those FOs that are under 2 years on property. It has been this way for awhile now hence no pay raises.

like another poster said, PDT and PSS had hiring trouble hence the pay raises, envoy doesn't so no need for pay raises.

Go look at the CA RSV lists and see the resignations

Jumpseatcrawler 07-03-2019 05:11 PM

Got a couple of things on the works. Hopefully you will see another RE on the capt reserve list soon!
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Envoy!

havick206 07-03-2019 05:39 PM

Pretty much as I predicted 2 years ago. The RTP guys are prime candidates for the LCC’s, an extremely high percentage are going to bounce once they get the call.

AA basically paid for their training and hours and have failed to retain them.

Good for them!

bigtime209 07-03-2019 06:16 PM


Originally Posted by havick206 (Post 2847325)
Pretty much as I predicted 2 years ago. The RTP guys are prime candidates for the LCC’s, an extremely high percentage are going to bounce once they get the call.

AA basically paid for their training and hours and have failed to retain them.

Good for them!

Seriously ...the only FOs I fly with that are 100% buying in to the flow and nothing else are the Cadets. The RTP guys and everyone else are smart enough to be trying to get out anywhere that is a step up. The cadets are brainwashed into thinking that this is their only path forward.

uavking 07-03-2019 06:52 PM


Originally Posted by havick206 (Post 2847325)
The RTP guys are prime candidates for the LCC’s, an extremely high percentage are going to bounce once they get the call.

For LCCs, warrants are a great target because not having a college degree limits their options to escape. Especially if we assume that they didn't grab 121 PIC before jumping. However, for a commissioned guy you kinda gotta wonder, unless they're so close to aging out that the spreadsheet math works vs a legacy.

That said, if you're above an 800 number, by all means bounce for Alaska, JetBlue, Spirit, Frontier, etc.

havick206 07-03-2019 07:05 PM


Originally Posted by uavking (Post 2847356)
For LCCs, warrants are a great target because not having a college degree limits their options to escape. Especially if we assume that they didn't grab 121 PIC before jumping. However, for a commissioned guy you kinda gotta wonder, unless they're so close to aging out that the spreadsheet math works vs a legacy.

That said, if you're above an 800 number, by all means bounce for Alaska, JetBlue, Spirit, Frontier, etc.


That’s the demographic though. The young RTP’s typically do have degrees. The older ones don’t care about AA and want to make bank now.

AA have the perfect training platform to make them employable to a LCC.


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