Side Job For More Cash
 

Well, obviously pay is terrible here.

What side jobs do yall do to create supplemental income?

I already sold my soul. Wasn’t too much of a stretch to sell my body. I just don’t make as much as I did when I was still dancing as a Chippendale.

Side cash? Beer money? Millennials like to call them "side hustles."

Yeah side hustles. More than beer money. Something worth my time. Cant think of one.

I had two FOs recently that are doing uber to make up livable wages, sad they have to work two jobs ://

Yep. Very popular to uber at envoy. Hard to pay rent on $1900 net per month.

I'm a new FO and I take home 4000+ a month. Sorry, we all know you are a troll account, but if you can't live off 4k, you're doing something wrong.

Bull.

I don't know a single FO netting 4k a month. Let alone a new one.

Min guarantee is about $1900 a month after taxes, insurance and 401k and uniform payments.

BS, as expected from you.

My first paycheck is $1150, so min guarantee is $2300 after taxes, insurance etc.

I took home $4300 last month. If you don't believe me, how about a bet? I will bet you $1000 that I took home that. No retention bonuses or anything.
My next month is better than that.

Wanna bet?

Wow, congratulations DERA! now, can you imagine how much more you would make if the company valued us for what we are worth?

Maybe you make that ammount, kudos to you 175 FO first year... That is the problem with you, you do mot know how the rest of the airline lives. The world does not revolve around you and your cheerleading is simply pitiful.

You have to be working in some way for management... i really hope you do, at least that way i can understand why you try so hard to convince everyone in here this is not as bad as what everyone says.

But if you are a regular line pilot, WOW! i really hope we never cross paths.

Lately the company has been terrible to me (personal situations which of course i will not share here) and you know what? they pushed me and i just spent 4.5 hours cleaning and sending apps and studying for an upcoming interview.

In short, that’s great you are making bank... i have personally flown with an FO who does UBER to be able to afford living in base, student loans,, mortgage, car and a new baby.

Stop telling people how great it is here and maybe your 4k will turn into 6500... wouldn’t that be nice?

Fly safe man, cheers 🤘🏻

Dera, min guarantee is 2750 or thereabouts first year before taxes.
Let's say you were busting your butt and were away 400 hrs - so 760 in per diem (because I'm sure you counting that in as "income")
That leaves us with 4300 - 760 (pd) - 2300 (min.g.) = 1240 hard earned after tax pay.
Or about 1364 before tax. At 150% year one pay thats 24 hrs picked up.
Doable? Perhaps. Even at 6 hrs a day that's 4 days and, unless your OT is drastically different from everyone else's, more like 6 days. So you pick up down to 8 days off. Which some people do, their choice, but go hit yourself against the wall before projecting that as normal for "taking 4300 home".
That's peanut pay and absolutely nothing to be proud of.
My first flying job daily rate x your days paid more (significantly more if you count the perdiem) and that was a few ratings and years ago.
Tl;dr our pay isn't something to write home about. Unless you're asking for money, because yeah, then it would be.

Here's the problem: How the heck can I know what's going on with the rest of the airline, when all the comments you guys post can easily be verified to be false within 5 seconds? You know, "years of reserve", "800 dollars per paycheck", and so on?

Post facts, not fiction, and people might take you seriously. How about that?

Hey - someone driving Uber is fine, if they have a mortgage, a new baby, student loans and such. That sounds like horrible financial planning to me. Why not go fly 135 and make way more money than a regional captain would, and pay off those debts? You know there are jobs in aviation outside airlines, and at the regional level, most of them pay much, much more.
Oh but they have flow? I'm sorry, I forgot. But you are saying it's not worth anything. Clearly it is to some.

I've said this so many times - your moaning and *****ing here has virtually zero effect on recruiting. Per a senior union rep, applications went up by a considerable amount after PSA pay rates. People know we will eventually get them. The only effect you guys have is that no-one takes you seriously any more.
Stick with the facts - the truth is bad enough. No need to post lies and BS.

Your calculations are pretty close. I had 12 days off though, not a bad month, way less PD than you estimate but yes, it's part of the take home pay.

I never said it's normal, you're forgetting the context where I said that. But it's doable. And if you have student debt, a mortgage, and a new baby, maybe you should pick up that OT?

I had to work pretty hard to make it - but when Varsity says, and I quote,
I can only say that's patently false. Most senior FO's make that who fly the good productive lines, and pick up the good day trips off OT.
95 hours block, 15 OT, 105-110 credit, and 13-14 days off is common.
Most junior CA's say they made more money as senior FO's, than as RSV CA's.

My previous flying job paid a lot more too. If you can't make it here, go to 135. They pay a lot more for PICs than regionals do.

Just an observation
 

If I was netting 4K a month I would be doing anything I could to hide from this upgrade. Never once have I ever net more than 3600.

1-Umm read my post bro, never even mentioned flow.
2-I think your reply was very rude and extremely defensive. Sorry if i pushed your management buttons.
3-I never post “fiction” or whatever you are saying i am lying about. The “*****ing” i tend to post is actual life stuff that happens to me.
4-you are right, there are higher paying jobs out there. Worked all afternoon polishing my apps to get one of those.
5-i never said flow means nothing, it is worth something really. I am just not willing to stay here and take your bull#&$ for 3 more years.
6-poor financial planning... well that guys poor financial planning was being overseas fighting for our country, that just shows the lack of human touch you must have.
7-Yeah, i think you are probably right... people who read this forums probably think the raises are coming and are trying to ride the wave early (smart) My problem with envoy goes beyond pay (which is $#!+ btw) the lack of respect and appreciation and understanding for your pilots is frankly insulting and i am not willing to be a part of that.

8-For the rest of us Captains and FOs who read this, Jetblue, spirit, frontier, and Alaska are sending out invitations... honestly to have at least a shot you will probably need at least 3000 + TT

I deserve more and i am looking for more than a pay raise DERA...

Safe flying!

1-Umm read my post bro, never even mentioned flow.

2-I think your reply was very rude and extremely defensive. Sorry if i pushed your management buttons.

3-I never post “fiction” or whatever you are saying i am lying about. The “*****ing” i tend to post is actual life stuff that happens to me.

4-you are right, there are higher paying jobs out there. Worked all afternoon polishing my apps to get one of those.

5-i never said flow means nothing, it is worth something really. I am just not willing to stay here and take your bull#&$ for 3 more years.

6-poor financial planning... well that guys poor financial planning was being overseas fighting for our country, that just shows the lack of human touch you must have.

7-Yeah, i think you are probably right... people who read this forums probably think the raises are coming and are trying to ride the wave early (smart) My problem with envoy goes beyond pay (which is $#!+ btw) the lack of respect and appreciation and understanding for your pilots is frankly insulting and i am not willing to be a part of that.

9-If you are not management and you are a regular line pilot who has been lucky enough to have it that good, i truly congratulate you. Dera for president... you say you are a 1st year FO. Just FYI for some reason, once you upgrade the company kind of stops giving a Funk. I hope that cold bucket of water does not hit you.

8-For the rest of us Captains and FOs who read this, Jetblue, spirit, frontier, and Alaska are sending out invitations... honestly to have at least a shot you will probably need at least 3000 + TT

I deserve more and i am looking for more than a pay raise DERA...

Safe flying!

We are not being paid enough - yes or no?

I guess you've been drinking, because your post goes back and forth and it's hard to follow.

4. Good luck, EVERYONE should be doing this. If you stay here with no apps out, you are stupid.
5. You are a management shill if you say flow means something. Ask anyone.
6. Thank him for his service. But why is he at Envoy? That is poor financial planning. Better paying flying jobs elsewhere, why not go there? 135 PICs make pretty easy $80-100k first year. No need to drive Uber.
I bet he has a new truck, a nice boat, and a 5 bedroom house.

Our pay sucks. 100% agree.
Did I know the pay when I applied? Yes I did.
Did I adjust my spending to make it work. Yes I did.

Does your great lifestyle situation reflect that of the rest of the pilots?
No it does not

Do you work twice as hard for the same amount of money as someone who makes that flying min guarantee? yes you do

Are you helping the pilot group with your little “it is not as bad cause my life is great” posts? No you do not

are you living in your own little land of unicorns not giving a f*#)$ about the rest of your peers? (ill let you answer that one)

I’ve never scratched 4K. Typical after tax take home for an FO line holder not doing OT is around $2400. That includes everything, per diem and hold backs like health insurance. To hit 4K I’d need a ton of OT (like 15+ hours) which is not always available, or to misleadingly include a retention bonus payment.

Reserve is really bad because of the implications for per diem. I make a lot less on reserve.

You could always become a KoolAid guzzling, management friendly, Envoy cheer leader and make cheesy YouTube videos, but I think that job is taken and has its own thread.

Then there is the KoolAid guzzling, management friendly, Envoy cheer leader that fills APC with his own version of rainbows and unicorns. Not sure how he is compensated though, and I think there is only room for one of those as well.

He's backtracking and changing his story folks.

All jokes aside, if the OP is still listening... If you live in base and have the time, maybe consider becoming a realtor. It's not pricey to get the certs you need most places, and your success is mostly based on your own skill development and what you put into it. It's a serious backup plan if you lose your med/license too.

I have heard that doing something in real estate is a good back up. Thanks.

Yall whinin saying “i get paid a lot more than you, im making $xx etc.” should be ashamed of yourselves. Nobody cares if youre making more. But the vast majority are making guarantee pay...which is roughly $2000 (first year fo) you cant count per diem as income. Dont whine and complain that youre making more....nobody cares, and frankly hopes to never fly with you.

Dera is obviously one of the management characters that posts over on the other forum as well. Even uses the same phrases.

"Poor financial planning"

We are the lowest paid regional! Why are you bringing up that it's technically possible if you invent a new form of mathematics to make what an endeavor pilot makes?

Management shill. You're not fooling anyone.

Exactly. Sorry but $2,000 is not easy to work every month with a wife and kid and a house, on one income. Its doable but jack **** in savings.

Hence the need for a second income. Thinkin real estate just not sure what aspect of it to get into

dera is on all the other boards cheerleading Envoy and how great life is there. Probably why you guys are still filling classes. He/she/they/it could be the singular reason why you guys can't get a new pay agreement ratified.

You could be a shoe shine guy or one of the massage people while on reserve. Get the two hour call out, and then just finish with the last customer before shutting down for the day.

Learn a skill you can leverage on your laptop so you can be productive at the hotel and at home. Stock trading or a highly marketable tech skill like Salesforce.com. The latter is easily learned on their Trailhead site.

Standby Life
 

In ORD there used to be a pilot that would play the Piano for tip money in the airport.

He will be quick to say how delusional one must be to think that anything he writes will help sway potential applicants to Envoy.


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Actually he has claimed that he has numerous PMs that have done more to deter people than everyone else because his posts are are realistic and not just whining about Envoy.

Of course this is all behind the scenes, so unverifiable.

Excellent idea. It would be very easy to learn something on RSV, SB, Hotel, etc. How exactly would you use a learned skill from the “salesforce trailhead” to make money.

I peg Derp as a late summer/early fall 2018 hire. There was a trickle of DFW 175 assignments ahead of him, and then he/she got hired into the upswing as more planes starting hitting the line at DFW. He got a line quickly while his 145 classmates are still on reserve.

Basically, he is the guy who walked up to the slot machine and won on the first pull, and now is telling everybody how great slot machines are.

Wow you guys never would've survived a decade ago. $1200/month after tax!

A buddy used to do home appraisals on the side. He would sit hot reserve at the airport and do it while there. And make his drive bys after he got off.

At the current pay rates it's probably much more productive to pick up trips. I remember picking up a three day on first year pay back then and netting something like $180. Lol. What a joke. That was the last time I picked up anything as an FO.

Yeah I never picked up ANYTHING back then.

Even picking up OT now is not worth it. I cant speak for the 175 side but the 145 OT just sucks. 2 day trips worth 1-4 hours, turns worth 1-5 hours. Just not worth it when you've got a family at home.

If only I could find a gig that I can do exclusively on my laptop while on layovers or sitting RSV. Essentially adding to my hourly rate without taking away days off.

Jeez I was messing with you before when I called you out but this is honestly one of your worst posts. First of all just the ridiculous way you try to get your message across
"wanna bet???" "I make 4k a month wanna bet????" "Bet!"

As you said, min garuntee is about $2300 a month after taxes, not 401k, and not if you have a family and choose more expensive medical plans. Trying to tout or imply taking home 4k a month for an FO is the norm is just not comprehensible. Yeah I guess if you're in one of the few FO positions that is critical OT all the time and drop yourself to 8 days a month, and are one of the few in this situation that live in base without a family and can do that, then sure you can probably take home 4k. But trying to imply that's normal and that anyone can do it is just plain wrong. And no, per diem is not income. It is federally regulated and is to cover travel expenses while on the job, and is not taxed. IT IS NOT CONSIDERED INCOME.

In short, true FO current take home pay is about $2200/mo. Absolute best case scenario working every possible day and OT trip living in base that's also under critical coverage for a company that under pays you is about $4300/mo, if you include per diem. Thanks for the insight Dera.

From the IRS website:

What is per diem?
Per diem is an allowance paid to your employees for lodging, meals, and incidental expenses incurred when travelling. This allowance is in lieu of paying their actual travel expenses. Per diem payments are not part of the employee’s wages if the payment is equal to or less than the federal per diem rate.