The calm before the storm
 

I’ve got my popcorn. This will be good.























Oh, we got raises. Kinda.

We did not get the AIP. Not even close to it. Captain pay increase "up to 15%" according to recruiting. That is NOT what PSA got. And they have way better soft rules.

Yep.

We got *******ed.

This is what happens when you rush things and say “Oh hurry up and just take what we can get”

So to all who were on that train. This is what you get when we could’ve gotten much more.

No increased flow for you new hires, a small bump in raise and some other things....

This is crumbs when we could’ve gotten the whole pie.

Now before I sound like a negative Nancy, am I thankful? Certainly. But sometimes it’s not good to rush certain things.

The article said up to 15% so this is the max we will get paid. Senior CAs on the higher pay band will get paid more than PSA, everyone else, NOPE!

Captains got the short end of the stick. I support my fellow colleagues. FO definitely needed a raise, but CAs are in the hot seat. We are the ones who sometimes give free IOE when flying with guys/gals who aren’t very proficient. It’s frustrating to say the least.

FO’s broke even, they are taking away the retention bonus. Do the math, comes out to about same.

What’s this pay band thing folks keep mentioning? How does it work?

Where did you see they are taking away the retention bonuses?

That's what they did at other WOs.

New hire FO’s broke even. Existing guys got the bonus and now that raise that should have come in 2014.

No 10 day posting requirement anymore prior to voting?
No more requirement for a pilot vote on significant CBA changes?

Since when would a 15% change and flow changes be minor changes not requiring 10 day posting and a pilot vote? You really want the precedent of changing flow without the pilots voting, or without winning an arbitration? Get your 50% of all new hires language back.

If I were still there, I’d appreciate the opportunity to vote no on their insufficient pittance offering. They’re bleeding Pilots. Knock off the bandaids.

Your mileage may vary

You’re comparing our blended rates with what you’re getting on both the 145 and the 170/175. You can get a more accurate picture of what we’re getting and the gap between them when you compare side by side what the hard rates are. Also, as we start parking the 200s (whenever that’s going to be) and/or taking delivery of more 900s as well as the rest of your 700s, that blended rate is going to increase more towards the hard CRJ 700/900 rate.

I’ve attached the current hard rates for your review.

I would have voted no if given the chance.

Mad. :mad:

If the CA pay is as bad as initial indications suggest, nothing would’ve been better. At least then we’d have the implicit leverage of being the lowest paid regional airline pilots. Hilariously though, the people complaining loudest on the line are the same ones who were saying “meh we should’ve taken whatever they offered, union asked for too much.” Really sad they listened to these guys, who were always a vocal minority.

Who are these clowns? Ive never met anyone who thinks this.

Do you guys not understand pay banding? I see so many complaints that only the most senior guys will get the biggest benefit. It’s not that the union sold everyone down the river, but the contract has had pay banding for at least 5 or 6 years maybe more. Expecting the company to say ******* it to pay banding and pay everyone large rj rates is not reasonable. I get the frustration but I just assumed people knew what pay banding was, it seems like this is the first time people are hearing about it.