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joejon0104 08-16-2019 08:36 AM

Shared Seniority between Regional and Legacy
 
I may be completely wrong on this, but I remember seeing at some point that there was a regional airline where once you started INDOC you got a seniority number and their partnered legacy airline. Is this just my mind running wild or does this exist and if so, which regional/legacy pairs offer this?

dera 08-16-2019 10:23 AM

SkyWest, and SkyWest Mainline. ;)

No, no-one offers this.

buddies8 08-16-2019 11:05 AM

Yes pan am express (ransom airlines) with pan am airlines. This was late 80's until pan am folded in bk.

LHSmithJr 08-16-2019 01:34 PM


Originally Posted by dera (Post 2871215)
SkyWest, and SkyWest Mainline. ;)

No, no-one offers this.

Haha! I've never heard anything so ridiculous as the SkyWest people calling themselves "mainline". How embarrassing for them and humorous for everyone else.

ag386 08-16-2019 01:58 PM


Originally Posted by LHSmithJr (Post 2871334)
Haha! I've never heard anything so ridiculous as the SkyWest people calling themselves "mainline". How embarrassing for them and humorous for everyone else.

It's about the same as Envoy pilots calling themselves AA pilots.

Houpilot2001 08-16-2019 01:59 PM


Originally Posted by ag386 (Post 2871352)
It's about the same as Envoy pilots calling themselves AA pilots.

If one of our pilots is claiming they are mainline; please, call them the F out.

dera 08-16-2019 02:03 PM


Originally Posted by Houpilot2001 (Post 2871354)
If one of our pilots is claiming they are mainline; please, call them the F out.

Too many do unfortunately. Most of them new FOs. And some 2016 open doors hires.

Still, nothing beats the RAH CA in the van in CVG asking a passenger if he is flying Delta today. And then proclaiming that he is happy to fly him and how Delta this and Delta that.
It took all of my willpower not to point out that his wings say Republic.

EnyFlyr 08-16-2019 02:35 PM


Originally Posted by ag386 (Post 2871352)
It's about the same as Envoy pilots calling themselves AA pilots.

Paychecks dont lie

Houpilot2001 08-16-2019 03:09 PM


Originally Posted by dera (Post 2871359)
Too many do unfortunately. Most of them new FOs. And some 2016 open doors hires.

Still, nothing beats the RAH CA in the van in CVG asking a passenger if he is flying Delta today. And then proclaiming that he is happy to fly him and how Delta this and Delta that.
It took all of my willpower not to point out that his wings say Republic.

Who cares, call his ass out.

oldrebel 08-16-2019 03:29 PM

Those types probably go to the mall in uniform.

Urban achiever 08-16-2019 03:55 PM

Situation a few months ago after he introduces himself as being with “mainline” and asking which one and finally being called out by the capt

Skywest jumpseater : “But we own our own planes, that makes us mainline”

Capt: “...HOW MUCH DO YOU MAKE AN HOUR?!???”

Skywest jumpseater: “41 an hour”

Capt: “that is regional FO pay, you work for a damn regional and I will not have someone lie and misrepresent themselves in my jumpseat. You’re welcome to a seat inback but not up here”

He didn’t make the flight. I hope he learned a lesson, but I honestly think he had drank so much koolaid that he was convinced he was mainline and wouldn’t listen to reason. I wouldn’t of given him the boot but it wasn’t my jumpseat to give.

mketch11 08-16-2019 04:31 PM

If you are wearing an American Airlines lanyard then you have no room to talk.

Houpilot2001 08-16-2019 04:48 PM


Originally Posted by mketch11 (Post 2871460)
If you are wearing an American Airlines lanyard then you have no room to talk.

Nope. I know my place.

jake cutter 08-16-2019 05:54 PM


Originally Posted by EnyFlyr (Post 2871387)
Paychecks dont lie



And the back of the badges yo.

CLE to IAH 08-16-2019 06:22 PM


Originally Posted by mketch11 (Post 2871460)
If you are wearing an American Airlines lanyard then you have no room to talk.

So those aren’t mandatory?? Envoy Pilots can wear any lanyard they want?

smtx123 08-16-2019 06:49 PM


Originally Posted by CLE to IAH (Post 2871517)
So those aren’t mandatory?? Envoy Pilots can wear any lanyard they want?

Isn’t it all three WO’s? Or just envoy? I’ve seen a lot of PSA guys with those lanyards.

MD-11Loader 08-16-2019 07:38 PM


Originally Posted by CLE to IAH (Post 2871517)
So those aren’t mandatory?? Envoy Pilots can wear any lanyard they want?

FM-1 says that they are mandatory, but people diverge to other options.

bigtime209 08-16-2019 07:41 PM


Originally Posted by CLE to IAH (Post 2871517)
So those aren’t mandatory?? They are if you want to wear a lanyard. Envoy Pilots can wear any lanyard they want? Nope

^^^^
/10/

rickair7777 08-16-2019 07:42 PM


Originally Posted by LHSmithJr (Post 2871334)
Haha! I've never heard anything so ridiculous as the SkyWest people calling themselves "mainline". How embarrassing for them and humorous for everyone else.

The only people that ever refer to "Skywest Mainline" are pilots from other regionals.

Or SKW CRJ pilots being sarcastic towards the ERJ. Back in the day it was EMB pilots being sarcastic towards the CRJ.

rickair7777 08-16-2019 07:44 PM


Originally Posted by Urban achiever (Post 2871438)
Situation a few months ago after he introduces himself as being with “mainline” and asking which one and finally being called out by the capt

Skywest jumpseater : “But we own our own planes, that makes us mainline”

Capt: “...HOW MUCH DO YOU MAKE AN HOUR?!???”

Skywest jumpseater: “41 an hour”

Capt: “that is regional FO pay, you work for a damn regional and I will not have someone lie and misrepresent themselves in my jumpseat. You’re welcome to a seat inback but not up here”

He didn’t make the flight. I hope he learned a lesson, but I honestly think he had drank so much koolaid that he was convinced he was mainline and wouldn’t listen to reason. I wouldn’t of given him the boot but it wasn’t my jumpseat to give.

Cool story bro.

But nobody really does stuff like that. Especially since your badge says who you work for :rolleyes:

rld1k 08-16-2019 09:02 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 2871550)
Cool story bro.

But nobody really does stuff like that. Especially since your badge says who you work for :rolleyes:

And then everyone clapped

UncreativeUser 08-16-2019 10:13 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 2871550)
Cool story bro.



But nobody really does stuff like that. Especially since your badge says who you work for :rolleyes:



Tell that to your Skybest guy over on the Compass forum saying how he works for a “legacy regional”.

I agree and disagree, I think it’s more seldom than not but I have FOR SURE been involved with conversations involving how Skywest pilots think they are mainline. You could argue we say we work for AA but we know our place and paycheck.


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VIRotate 08-17-2019 12:16 AM


Originally Posted by UncreativeUser (Post 2871587)
Tell that to your Skybest guy over on the Compass forum saying how he works for a “legacy regional”.

I agree and disagree, I think it’s more seldom than not but I have FOR SURE been involved with conversations involving how Skywest pilots think they are mainline. You could argue we say we work for AA but we know our place and paycheck.


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To be fair, that guy got laughed off the forums and then pretended he was having bro time with other CPZ and OO pilots who were in on it whilst doing it solely for the lulz. I do think he was serious though and just used that as cover.

mketch11 08-17-2019 06:36 AM


Originally Posted by MD-11Loader (Post 2871546)
FM-1 says that they are mandatory, but people diverge to other options.

FM1
9.20 Lanyards
Company IDs may be secured using the company approved American Airlines/
Oneworld-branded breakaway lanyard or company approved clip or retractable badge
reel. The clip or retractable badge reel can be clear, silver, black, or navy in color, with
no logo nor design.

If you are still wearing the lanyard at Envoy, then you either don’t mind helping recruiting by being free advertisement, or you actually bought their bs and you believe you are AA.

AB321Driver 08-17-2019 06:53 AM

Good thing I wear my "Its Time" lanyard.

That difference me from the regional mainline wanna be's.

CrowneVic 08-17-2019 08:38 AM


Originally Posted by mketch11 (Post 2871681)
If you are still wearing the lanyard at Envoy, then you either don’t mind helping recruiting by being free advertisement, or you actually bought their bs and you believe you are AA.

Or it was free, works, and people are not going to spend personal time and money finding a different one, and really couldn’t give a shyte.

highfarfast 08-17-2019 08:54 AM


Originally Posted by CrowneVic (Post 2871737)
Or it was free, works, and people are not going to spend personal time and money finding a different one, and really couldn’t give a shyte.

This sounds a lot like me. :p

MD-11Loader 08-17-2019 08:56 AM


Originally Posted by mketch11 (Post 2871681)
FM1
9.20 Lanyards
Company IDs may be secured using the company approved American Airlines/
Oneworld-branded breakaway lanyard or company approved clip or retractable badge
reel. The clip or retractable badge reel can be clear, silver, black, or navy in color, with
no logo nor design.

If you are still wearing the lanyard at Envoy, then you either don’t mind helping recruiting by being free advertisement, or you actually bought their bs and you believe you are AA.

I use a paper clip and feed it through a belt loop. It’s pretty effective.

BIueSideUp 08-17-2019 09:21 AM


Originally Posted by mketch11 (Post 2871681)
FM1
9.20 Lanyards
Company IDs may be secured using the company approved American Airlines/
Oneworld-branded breakaway lanyard or company approved clip or retractable badge
reel. The clip or retractable badge reel can be clear, silver, black, or navy in color, with
no logo nor design.

If you are still wearing the lanyard at Envoy, then you either don’t mind helping recruiting by being free advertisement, or you actually bought their bs and you believe you are AA.

Baling twine for me.

Cyio 08-17-2019 12:23 PM


Originally Posted by BIueSideUp (Post 2871769)
Baling twine for me.

I just clip it to my pants zipper.

oldrebel 08-17-2019 01:40 PM

I just let it hang out my open zipper.

MD-11Loader 08-17-2019 04:40 PM


Originally Posted by Cyio (Post 2871834)
I just clip it to my pants zipper.

Smart. Always the innovator.

Cujo665 08-18-2019 07:41 AM


Originally Posted by dera (Post 2871359)
Too many do unfortunately. Most of them new FOs. And some 2016 open doors hires.

Still, nothing beats the RAH CA in the van in CVG asking a passenger if he is flying Delta today. And then proclaiming that he is happy to fly him and how Delta this and Delta that.
It took all of my willpower not to point out that his wings say Republic.

Either way, he is flying Delta’s passengers. Always found it amusing when mainlines didn’t hire somebody from one of their feeders, due to them not being the right fit to fly their passengers..... they already are.

UncreativeUser 08-18-2019 08:49 AM


Originally Posted by Cujo665 (Post 2872094)
Either way, he is flying Delta’s passengers. Always found it amusing when mainlines didn’t hire somebody from one of their feeders, due to them not being the right fit to fly their passengers..... they already are.

If he's flying Delta pax around and they are a CONTRCTED company, then he/she should be saying I am a contractor pilot for Delta Air Lines.

But that doesn't sound as good does it

NoValueAviator 08-18-2019 09:04 AM

Don’t understand why I can’t wear an Envoy lanyard... or ALPA lanyard for that matter. Ridiculous that they issue us and force us to wear AA lanyards when we aren’t AA pilots.

ENH017 08-18-2019 10:16 AM


Originally Posted by NoValueAviator (Post 2872135)
Don’t understand why I can’t wear an Envoy lanyard... or ALPA lanyard for that matter. Ridiculous that they issue us and force us to wear AA lanyards when we aren’t AA pilots.

Funfact: literally no one cares what lanyard you're wearing as long as it doesn't say "**** Doug Parker"


I'm sure you're aware but there's a lot of people that need to realize that there's a lot of nitpick rules in FM1 that no one enforces. We (pilots, management, etc) collectively don't care enough about this place to enforce every one of them.

Cyio 08-18-2019 10:40 AM


Originally Posted by ENH017 (Post 2872173)
Funfact: literally no one cares what lanyard you're wearing as long as it doesn't say "**** Doug Parker"


I'm sure you're aware but there's a lot of people that need to realize that there's a lot of nitpick rules in FM1 that no one enforces. We (pilots, management, etc) collectively don't care enough about this place to enforce every one of them.

Yeah exactly. Same thing in regards to buying your shirts from a non-standard vendor. I am not aware of a single instance that anyone was penalized for wearing A Cut Above shirt, but some people feel like the world will stop if they are caught in one.

Show up, do your job, don't abuse the system and be safe. That will cover about 99% of the issues you will face.

Its the people that are already in the CPO for their 8th sick call for 18 days while still only half way through the year that will find themselves getting nitpicked for their lanyard and shirt.

UncreativeUser 08-18-2019 12:26 PM


Originally Posted by Cyio (Post 2872183)
Yeah exactly. Same thing in regards to buying your shirts from a non-standard vendor. I am not aware of a single instance that anyone was penalized for wearing A Cut Above shirt, but some people feel like the world will stop if they are caught in one.



Show up, do your job, don't abuse the system and be safe. That will cover about 99% of the issues you will face.



Its the people that are already in the CPO for their 8th sick call for 18 days while still only half way through the year that will find themselves getting nitpicked for their lanyard and shirt.



Facts!


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BIueSideUp 08-18-2019 04:48 PM


Originally Posted by Cyio (Post 2872183)
Yeah exactly. Same thing in regards to buying your shirts from a non-standard vendor. I am not aware of a single instance that anyone was penalized for wearing A Cut Above shirt, but some people feel like the world will stop if they are caught in one.

Show up, do your job, don't abuse the system and be safe. That will cover about 99% of the issues you will face.

Its the people that are already in the CPO for their 8th sick call for 18 days while still only half way through the year that will find themselves getting nitpicked for their lanyard and shirt.

The guy that writes up doing 251 knots for 1 second below 10,000 will damn sure tell you that your shirt is wrong. Probably make the call for you too.

Cyio 08-19-2019 04:38 AM


Originally Posted by BIueSideUp (Post 2872409)
The guy that writes up doing 251 knots for 1 second below 10,000 will damn sure tell you that your shirt is wrong. Probably make the call for you too.

Ive been here awhile now, haven't seen this scenario you mention play out yet, nor have I heard of it happening. Not saying it hasn't or that it won't, just that it is pretty rare.


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