Leaving Cadet Program?
08-19-2019, 03:30 PM
#11
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Originally Posted by CrowneVic
Here’s an idea:
It will likely burn your bridges with AAG, but the chances of getting hired at AA and not being from a wholly-owned or the military are slim to none, anyway.
It will likely burn your bridges with AAG, but the chances of getting hired at AA and not being from a wholly-owned or the military are slim to none, anyway.
AA hired an OTS in Feb that was fired from PSA.
Last edited by Varsity; 08-19-2019 at 03:43 PM.
08-19-2019, 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by highfarfast
I’m more curious as to how Envoy would know you went to work for another airline if you don’t tell them.
08-19-2019, 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by CrowneVic
Here’s an idea:
How about just talking with the company, telling them you received/accepted no funds, you would like to be completely released from the program because it just hasn’t worked out for you, and you would like to have an opportunity to stay in aviation and earn a living.
If they are not agreeable to that, just resign and seek employment elsewhere as you please. I dare say no court on this planet would enforce a no compete clause against you, as you are not a corporate insider and do not have any information at all that would be a threat to this company. Most courts are very supportive of allowing individuals to earn a living.
This is especially true where training contracts are concerned, as they are commonly deemed unenforceable by courts. The fact that you did not accept any money indicates that the company provided no consideration which would make the contract enforceable. Any contract typically requires legal consideration to be enforceable. If you’ve used travel benefits or something of that nature, that has the potential to be viewed as consideration, but highly unlikely.
A couple hundred bucks to spend an hour with a labor attorney might put your mind at ease and get you where you want to be. You might not even have to pay that, as most attorneys allow for a free initial consultation.
It will likely burn your bridges with AAG, but the chances of getting hired at AA and not being from a wholly-owned or the military are slim to none, anyway.
How about just talking with the company, telling them you received/accepted no funds, you would like to be completely released from the program because it just hasn’t worked out for you, and you would like to have an opportunity to stay in aviation and earn a living.
If they are not agreeable to that, just resign and seek employment elsewhere as you please. I dare say no court on this planet would enforce a no compete clause against you, as you are not a corporate insider and do not have any information at all that would be a threat to this company. Most courts are very supportive of allowing individuals to earn a living.
This is especially true where training contracts are concerned, as they are commonly deemed unenforceable by courts. The fact that you did not accept any money indicates that the company provided no consideration which would make the contract enforceable. Any contract typically requires legal consideration to be enforceable. If you’ve used travel benefits or something of that nature, that has the potential to be viewed as consideration, but highly unlikely.
A couple hundred bucks to spend an hour with a labor attorney might put your mind at ease and get you where you want to be. You might not even have to pay that, as most attorneys allow for a free initial consultation.
It will likely burn your bridges with AAG, but the chances of getting hired at AA and not being from a wholly-owned or the military are slim to none, anyway.
08-19-2019, 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Varsity
No it won't.
AA hired an OTS in Feb that was fired from PSA.
AA hired an OTS in Feb that was fired from PSA.
Sorry, statistically isn’t happening.
“So, you’re telling me there’s a chance!”
08-20-2019, 05:02 AM
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You can just leave the program, plenty of CFI's I worked with ultimately decided not to go to Envoy and they didn't do anything. Especially if you haven't received any money or bonus yet, they would never take you to court or do anything because that would cost the company money and why would they pay money if you don't owe them money.
08-20-2019, 07:18 AM
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Originally Posted by deerparkVOR
You can just leave the program, plenty of CFI's I worked with ultimately decided not to go to Envoy and they didn't do anything. Especially if you haven't received any money or bonus yet, they would never take you to court or do anything because that would cost the company money and why would they pay money if you don't owe them money.
This.
It's a form letter they give to everyone entering the program, regardless of whether they accept s bonus, or not.
There is no different letter for those declining the bonus.
08-20-2019, 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Varsity
It was a navy helicopter pilot that went through PSA’s RTP program. Not going to drop names on APC
Well duh nobody should be dropping names but I wanted to make sure it was a cadet or an RTP pilot. Cadets and RTP are totally different programs.
Cadets who don’t accept money are free to do whatever they want, that’s how that’s always been. The company doesn’t invest anything since the instructor gets paid by the school and they happen to get an advance on a bonus and flight benefits.
RTP pilots sign a deal and they get their entire fixed wing training paid for, and a bonus. The company invests a lot of money into pilots who are a part of this program. They get the advance, flight benefits, AND their training paid for.
Since the OP is talking about the cadet program, the RTP situation of having to lock down for 2 years right away before he comes to property is not applicable
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