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NoValueAviator 08-29-2019 10:46 AM


Originally Posted by Inclined plane (Post 2878691)
With actual back pay, I’d make over 2k less than if they go with 20hrs/mo deal and I didn’t pick up any OT.


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Yeah, it’s a win-win for them to do actual back pay.


Originally Posted by Timbird (Post 2878702)
That’s the problem. Idiots “helped” the company in negotiations.

Wasn’t me dude, I would’ve voted against anything without reserve enhancements after they were promised in the AIP, but the MEC knew that probably and forced it on us.

FlyPurdue 08-29-2019 11:25 AM

The Dallas LEC spelled out what is happening with the pay I believe:

Option 1: Audit every pilot's HI1 (activity pay) for each month that LOA pay rates are not effective and pay the actual retroactive pay no later than September 30.

Option 2: Reserve pilots and line holders will receive payment for a specified number of hours at a pilot's full new hourly pay rate for each month that the new LOA pay rates are not paid. If pilots flew their vacation, picked up a lot of OT, or flew on critical coverage days, Option 2 may not cover all backpay due. Management has assured us that in these situations the pilots will be made whole. Option 2 retroactive pay also must be paid out no later than September 30. Remember that management has to reprogram the computers and unfortunately, this takes time.

highfarfast 08-29-2019 11:36 AM


Originally Posted by FlyPurdue (Post 2878815)
The Dallas LEC spelled out what is happening with the pay I believe:

Option 1: Audit every pilot's HI1 (activity pay) for each month that LOA pay rates are not effective and pay the actual retroactive pay no later than September 30.

Option 2: Reserve pilots and line holders will receive payment for a specified number of hours at a pilot's full new hourly pay rate for each month that the new LOA pay rates are not paid. If pilots flew their vacation, picked up a lot of OT, or flew on critical coverage days, Option 2 may not cover all backpay due. Management has assured us that in these situations the pilots will be made whole. Option 2 retroactive pay also must be paid out no later than September 30. Remember that management has to reprogram the computers and unfortunately, this takes time.

We have computers now for payroll?

MochaSwirl 08-29-2019 07:02 PM


Originally Posted by FlyPurdue (Post 2878815)
The Dallas LEC spelled out what is happening with the pay I believe:

Option 1: Audit every pilot's HI1 (activity pay) for each month that LOA pay rates are not effective and pay the actual retroactive pay no later than September 30.

Option 2: Reserve pilots and line holders will receive payment for a specified number of hours at a pilot's full new hourly pay rate for each month that the new LOA pay rates are not paid. If pilots flew their vacation, picked up a lot of OT, or flew on critical coverage days, Option 2 may not cover all backpay due. Management has assured us that in these situations the pilots will be made whole. Option 2 retroactive pay also must be paid out no later than September 30. Remember that management has to reprogram the computers and unfortunately, this takes time.


What kind of computers are they using? The first Apple computers ever made ever?

dera 08-29-2019 07:28 PM


Originally Posted by MochaSwirl (Post 2879058)
What kind of computers are they using? The first Apple computers ever made ever?

DECS predates Apple computers by a few decades. You're giving them too much credit.

havick206 08-29-2019 10:13 PM


Originally Posted by MochaSwirl (Post 2879058)
What kind of computers are they using? The first Apple computers ever made ever?

They’re running FORTRAN on old ibm’s

crj700 08-30-2019 04:56 AM


Originally Posted by havick206 (Post 2879115)
They’re running FORTRAN on old ibm’s

Closer to accurate than you think!

Cyio 08-30-2019 07:29 AM


Originally Posted by crj700 (Post 2879158)
Closer to accurate than you think!

It still amazes me that we use such outdated technology and that you need a degree in Math to make heads or tails of our pay. It is such a ****ty system.

Sadly, if you work with AA it will probably never go away.

pitchattitude 08-30-2019 08:53 AM


Originally Posted by Cyio (Post 2879223)
It still amazes me that we use such outdated technology and that you need a degree in Math to make heads or tails of our pay. It is such a ****ty system.

Sadly, if you work with AA it will probably never go away.

While I absolutely agree, any system the company uses has a cost benefit analysis. As long as it cannot be replaced by a more economical option it will remain. Granted, sometimes the metrics used to measure those economics are not biased towards how we would measure them and sometimes they are just just wrong, but that’s just the world we live in.

NoValueAviator 08-31-2019 07:21 AM

Interpreting your pay stub is actually not that hard if you know what the contract entitles you to in terms of pay protection and premium for different situations.

I’m sure the process of calculating it is unnecessarily complex though


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