New hire expectations
 

Hello everyone. I’ve read just about every post on here that’s been active the last two months. I’ve read the pay issues that seem to be addressed if I’m a new pilot. Question now with union and management pay agreement is this: What can a new hire expect realistically for frame, base and reserve times now. I’m a military pilot with plenty of hours on a west coast commute.

Thanks

Here’s my prediction: 3 months training as an FO on the 145. 6 months in NYC on reserve , 3 with unlimited commuter hotels and 3 without. Another 3 months on reserve in Chicago, followed by another 12 months or so on reserve in Dallas before holding a line. Give or take 3 months in any base.

You can more than likely expect to be commuting to LGA and flying the 145. Is that really what you want to do as a west coast commuter? No non-stop flights between LGA and the west, so you’re limited to JFK (shouldn’t be too bad), but still. Why not SkyWest, or Horizon? You’ll hold DFW eventually, but it will take a bit. Then you’ll be fighting mainline for the jumpseat as they do the bulk of the west coast to Dallas flying.

If you’re sold on coming here then by all means welcome, but I would give a lot of thought to the QOL of commuting across the country for Envoy.

Sounds like a horrible idea for you to come here unless you have a very compelling reason, which you may.

I won’t repeat the above posters but they are pretty spot on.

Plus there is the
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other...eat/ar-AAGJKoH

I don’t know if it’s really any consolation, but at least Dougie is only paid in stock and the stock price is taking a beating.

Mesa’s priority seems to be United flying, and it sounds like that might be in jeopardy. The money major shareholders have to lose or gain isn’t going to make or break them, but the lives of all the employees of the companies associated with these places certainly can be devastated.

Skywest is great but looking at pay to be honest. Taking a big hit coming to commuter from civilian Buisness and need a small stint to make relative my military time again. So chasing a couple extra dollars for sure. Don’t want horizon, want back in jets. Great company though just wrong frame.

Skywest is east coast for juniors too. They are one of my 3 CJO’s

There are expectations of them moving westward

Horizon has the 175, and theirs are the most tricked out of any airline.

You’ll be at the bottom of the barrel for picking frame and base. You could get lucky and get an all 175 class. In which case you’ll get DFW or ORD and not spend more than a few months on reserve. Or as the others say, 145 LGA which would suck for you on multiple levels. Or maybe just maybe ORD 145 out the gate.

Horizon is probably the top regional to work for. Even their Q400’s are probably more equipped then other regional’s brand new 175’s. I believe they have CAT3 and HUDs. Probably a lot more variety of flying there too. They’re also wholly owned by Alaska. You are kind of crazy if you’d actually turn down Horizon just because of the Q400. That’s a badass machine to fly I’ve heard. I wouldn’t commute to LGA from west coast for Envoy or any regional unless I had literally no better option. There are other better options. SkyW, Horizon, Mesa (PHX base), TSA (Denver base). You can probably expect to lose 3-4 (if not more) of your 11-12 days off a month just from commuting.

Just a guess, but with 60 or so CRJ guys going through the 175 sims in the next 4-5 months I'd say all 175 class isn't very likely to happen any time soon

Have to agree about most of this. West to east coast commute would be brutal and there is nothing wrong with the q400. The majors don't care, so long as the time is 121.

Would put my money on this as well.

Does anyone know if it’s easy to get a 2-3 week vacation right out of training? I am on my minimums and also have my wedding. Should i just take some months off and apply or getting off after training wouldn’t be that hard?

And yes, Envoy is the only option.

There was a new hire who got unpaid leave for his wedding recently.
No guarantee though.

They’ll work with you on the wedding and that’s about it. I’d delay your training if you have a honeymoon planned.

Or just cancel the honeymoon
Save some money and provide the spouse with realistic expectations as for your free time in the first few years

2 - 3 week vacation. He// I've been here for
almost 3 years and still dont have 2 weeks.

Do your thing then come here. (Or dont)

You're talking about paid vacation. He will(or at least should) get unpaid personal days.

Regardless, how much time do you think he will get as a fresh off IOE probie? Maybe 2 days for the actual wedding, not 14-21 days.

And let's say he gets it off, the goes to his probie check at 12 months with 1 too many sick calls, LR or MA. He'll get a thanks no thanks.

A new hire just got 2 weeks off.

I won't speculate what it looks like on his probationary review though.
Let's just say I don't disagree with you.

Wedding/ honeymoon first then come here. It’s the safest bet and the only sure way you would get the time off.

Newbie got 2 weeks off, how that drop request working. Guess you dont matter.

Yeah tell me about it. I have one leg drop requests for funerals that got denied, as an FO, so take that for what its worth.

Did you contact the CPO for a personal day? They're not as evil as people think, and very likely would let you off. As for the 2-3 weeks vacation, bring it up with recruiting/management and see if they'll approve it and get it in writing. If they can't just push back your class date. You won't be getting paid anyway if you take the time off.

Crew Scheduling will only give you the auto-reply, denied due to staffing. CPO seems to be much more reasonable with personal days.
And if it's a funeral for someone close, you are entitled to bereavement leave and positive space tickets to/from.

False. Only for immediate family. We’ve had guys turned down for funerals for aunts/uncles.

The list is in the travel guide. Includes parents, grandparents etc. But not uncles/aunts.

Exactly as I said, immediate family. Not merely someone close to you as you said. Per the contract, you get paid bereavement leave for 3 days and positive space travel for death of immediate family members.

That's racists and discriminating not to include them.

Uh, WTF are you talking about? How is not including aunts and uncles racist?

Yes, I did, both times. Both times denied.

In a world where a man is a women and a women is a man, sis genders etc I suppose anything could be construed. Why can’t my uncle also be my dad?

Well, I guess there are certain places where that’s just the way it is!

Maybe you dont follow democratic politics, if it's not what I want then your a racist. Welcome from yokyr slumber.

Guess i have started a hot topic! Better enjoy my life before applying, i suppose few weeks of freedom wouldn’t hurt :D

Welcome to Envoy.

I live in NYC and am interested in the LGA base.

Does Envoy only fly 145 in LGA or other types as well? How long is reserve there right now? Why do some people say you guys have such a poor contract? How long is the wait for a class right now?

Couldn't find any recent or concrete answers to these questions. Thanks

Only the 140/145 in ny.
Reserve in ny is currently at a little over a year last i checked. but with the planned increase in flying in ny it will likely decrease rsv time.
Our contract doesn't have true long call reserve. Its either standby, or 3 hour callout, or you can proffer for trips the day before. If you commute this sucks but not as bad for those who live in base. There is no min day pay, so the company can make you spend 4 days away on a trip and only pay you for 2 hours of pay, etc.

Shouldn't be much of a wait for class

"Min pay" on reserve is 3.75 hours per day.
75 hour guarantee, 20 days of work.