Backpay and Pay Raises
 

So I guess we’re just going to sit around and not start questioning management as to why the long hold up in receiving our hard earned money huh?

This is getting quite frustrating and really shows the stance of how our employer feels about it’s pilots.

I don’t believe it take a month and a half to get this all changed.

We’re in 2019 not 1642.


Why isn’t anything being said? No pressure on MGMT?

It's 2019, but AAG and Envoy are operating in the 60s with DECS and Pay Comp. Not saying it isn't ridiculous but it is reality. There is a ton of work that has to been inputed by hand for 2500 pilots done by a department with only a handful of people. You'd think that the pay comp system is a big computerized machine that with a couple of keystrokes could have all the new pay numbers taken care of in a matter of minutes. Nope. Don't worry dude, the LOA says you'll get the money in SEP. You'll get the money in SEP.

** The LOA says before SEP 30, so expect it on SEP 30 #FUPM #MEGA

Sounds like someone went out and bought a few brand new toys already and payments are due

lol, but seriously instead of complaining here why don't you actually talk to your P2P guys or local FO or CA rep, If you did, you would not be posting this nonsense ...

I asked a p2p a few days ago and they said they haven’t been told anything.

Actually not that difficult if they’re just applying a change in rate with backpay.

All they have to do is change your rate and input the effective date. The payroll system in phx then automatically backpays you.

I used to do pay auditing.

What makes you think I/we haven’t? If they don’t have the answers, who does?

Or my toys are all paid for and I just want my money for more toys.

Or maybe ALL of us would rather have our money instead of Envoy collecting the interest on it.

Did you really think you would get the money an hour sooner than they have to pay it?

I don't understand the point of this thread. They have until a certain date. It hasn't been reached yet.

That too. I’m with you 100%

At this point the company should know a course of action. It would just be nice for the union to inform us how they are going to proceed. I read somewhere you can expect back pay mid september.

Probably half the pilot group has changed rates during this period:
Annual rate
Upgrades
B to C band

I admit I don’t know anything about the computer system they use for pay, but I could see how it’s more than just changing one number.

That said... it still isn’t 2 months worth of work either.

If it’s just a rate change and nothing more then all they literally have to do is enter the rate and have HR update the effective date of the rate change. The Pay Team and system in phx recognizes the change and pays accordingly with backpay. It is THE only thing in the whole pay system that works and works well.

It takes longer for them to calculate which way is cheaper for them than to actually implement it.

I heard management doesn’t care about the September 30th deadline and they’re taking their time manually correcting our pay sheets to give us the actual difference.

Is the starting pay for a FO still right according to the site stating it’s 50.22 or somewhere in there or was there a raise from that?

Well since I did not get my raise yet then your answer is no or there is a discrimination suit

Back pay from June must be paid by Sept 30th. There is nothing that says the company has to increase our pay by Sept 30th. Read the last paragraph of the LOA.

Fixed it for you.

Yeah ok buddy


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Pay rates have been updated , next paycheck will reflect new rates.

Including backpay?

That's a separate issue. You'll get it when you get it.
I wouldn't be surprised if it's paid on the 30th.
My sources say the company honestly tries to work on this to get it all sorted by the 30th.
Now that the new rates are implemented, our August overages will be paid at the new rate on the 30th.

My pay sheet for August is showing old rates though. So like you said, it’ll have to be a whole separate issue for all 4 months of back pay

What a mess. If we had one pilot as incompetent as our back office people/mgmt, we’d have crashed a plane by now.

I could learn the system myself, calculate the back pay for every individual pilot manually and enter the new rates between trips. Probably in less than 8 hours.

I agree the issues were likely figured out in much less time, but the company was still not going to pay up a day earlier than the had to. That was a fail of the negotiation of the LOA.

Per the union email just sent:

Retroactive Pay Methodology

The company has informed the Association that in regards to retroactive pay referenced in the "Implementation of New Pay Scales & Retroactive Pay" LOA, they will be calculating retroactive pay based on pilots' actual hours for months that retro pay is owed. The company has also communicated that by the end of the month, appropriate pay rates will be implemented and applicable retroactive pay will be paid out. This action will comply with the signed LOAs.

This post aged well like a fine wine.

Yes it did. They failed to pay us on an entire month and the OT is still not in the checks.

Although it does not answer all the concerns - there is a PPT document outlining the methodology in the crew pay section of the Envoy Intranet.