Retro should be out, start to verify
 

Checks should include your retro pay.

Imagine that. They do.

Looks like June July only from what I can tell

In the informational only section at the bottom,
“Pay Rate True Up for Jun 2019 hrs”
“Pay Rate True Up for Jul 2019 hrs”


Says nothing about August or September.

Looks like they may have included September in this as well, seems like I got two sections under base pay, but one without hours. From what I can estimate, it looks like the amount back pay for the first 36hr check of Sept.

Who knows...

Not all of it!
 

So when do we get back pay for August, and and the first half of September? I am only seeing 30 additional hours for June and July.

Yep.
I agree. Only got back pay for June and July. No Aug or half of Sept.

As far as I can tell, they also didn’t show their work anywhere. They weren’t required to, but it would have been nice.

Looking at my pay check again after getting some coffee in my system, I have noticed they did pay for the first part of September. However no back pay for August, and no back pay for OT.

This is what I am seeing. An R adjustment that I think is for the first half of Sept, and June/July. No August.

No OT or overages on mine. Doesn't seem in the spirit of the LOA, but it is Envoy. Fly it and grieve it.

Heard back from paycom, looks like we are just missing August

Imagine that...it's incomplete and all messed up.

Pretty sure ALPA didnt come up with any wording in case of partial compensation penalties. So now they can just payback August whenever thy feel like it. Doubt they’ll hold them responsible for paying the extra 20 hrs a month for not making a complete payment.

We have the worst lawyers in the world better call saul

Only true up for ot was June according to pay statement. Activity pay sheet shows nothing for any month. No breakdown of anything. This audit stinks. Alpa better come to the plate. We need a complete breakdown per month and per ot to see how they came up with these numbers, because so it is we have no idea what they are using for numbers.
Also August should be included with end of Sept check but not.
This is a violation of agreement.

Pay Comp needs to send an email to everyone and explain things so they don’t have to respond to 2500 individual emails.

Of course, they need a way on the pay stub to break things out.

Any word on if the retro applies to those of us who flowed between the start of retro and now? I know it was discussed at one point but I'm not holding my breath.

Well, so much for that LOA. A steep concession by the pilots from what had already been agreed, and even then Envoy won’t stick to it.

If you’re too dumb to calculate the actual back pay by Sep 30, you have to pay the 20 hour override. Very simple. But Envoy says nah, we’ll do whatever we want. Hope this goes to arbitration but I know it won’t.

I am dumbfounded on just how bad they have screwed up an opportunity to build good will.

It should. I think there was a FAQ that addressed it from a union email maybe?

This really surprises you?

In the short time I’ve been at Envoy it amazes me how often they shoot themselves in the foot. It’s unbelievable.

For what's its worth, I had a very complicated June and July, and I got exactly what I was owed. That of course does not change the fact that none of us got August backpay.

From my record keeping:

June - Reconciled

July - Reconciled

August - Missing all backpay (base, rev, OG, UG)

September - Reconciled (except for September OG/UG as this is not contractually due until next month's EOM paycheck)

YMMV.

You got backpay on your OT, JM/EXT etc. from June July?

I did.

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I got OT paid, but it's off by 20%~

Must be adding up incorrectly. The retroactive only includes June base pay, June overages/premiums, July base pay (no overages or premiums), August overages/premiums (at old rates and no base pay), and September base pay for both periods. This is stated in emails, website, and the paystub itself, and is correct for me.

So we are missing retroactive for July overages/premiums and August base pay and overage/premiums.

I'm not seeing anything posted yet.

Although I did not have any OT in July, I certainly had overages from training and a few other little things that were corrected, and my own audit matches my pay stub.

Same here. Got an email from pay comp that confirms it. “ Will be solved ASAP”

Oh man! I’ve just sat for over an hour trying to figure it all out. No matter how I do the math, I can’t make the numbers match. :confused:

Then they screwed you.
Notice on your pay check they never put the ot hours in the column, why is that.

That’s part of the problem. Even if I leave off OT, I can’t make the numbers work. I can’t figure out the method. And I’ve seen the crew pay pdf on backpay... didn’t help.

Yeah I got that wrong. Overages are paid, just not premiums for July. Both are paid for August but at old rates.

Premium if 50 or 200 percent of the payrate. They have to correct the premium rate.

So what's the word? Is envoy going to pay us the remainder of what's owed in the next couple days?

Watch, the mec will say they paid us in good faith and will give them another 30 days. After 30 Sept, the agreement is 20 hours per month owed period.

Jesus, you guys sound like a JG Wentworth commericial!

i need cash now!!

Yeah we should definitely just keep quiet and let the company keep violating every LOA

It’s reasonable that they pay us what little they owe when they owe it. We’re practically free compared to mainline pilots.