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Old 10-26-2019, 06:12 AM
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For those of you have went from 175 FO to 145 CA --

Any pro-tips going into training and/or the line as a new captain? I'm excited about a new type but am going to miss VNAV.
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Old 10-26-2019, 07:24 AM
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For those of you have went from 175 FO to 145 CA --

Any pro-tips going into training and/or the line as a new captain? I'm excited about a new type but am going to miss VNAV.
After a week in the sim you’ll remember how to use the throttles again. Set the bottom altitudes on the STAR and you won’t have to worry about busting an altitude. The only things I still miss are having the occasional first class meal, being able to stand up and use the restroom, and having packs that actually cool or warm up the airplane quickly.
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After a week in the sim you’ll remember how to use the throttles again. Set the bottom altitudes on the STAR and you won’t have to worry about busting an altitude. The only things I still miss are having the occasional first class meal, being able to stand up and use the restroom, and having packs that actually cool or warm up the airplane quickly.
And when he says bottom altitude on the star, he means each fix as you go along.
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The FO is doing most of the work on the ground, but you have to make sure they are doing it correctly. Make sure you understand and can do all the stuff that the 175 does automatically and the FO does. Packs and bleeds and deice, etc.
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Old 10-26-2019, 12:00 PM
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My technique for descending via is to put top altitudes for the STAR in the FMS, bottom for the next fix in the altitude selector, and keep the VS set to a rate higher than what the FMS requires. Keeps you in the gap without having to do anything real thinking. Adjust VS as necessary on the way down to help with slowing and to avoid leveling off at each fix. No more ASAPs for busting altitudes and speeds because you didn’t know what the airplane was doing.
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VTO page will be your best friend
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My technique for descending via is to put top altitudes for the STAR in the FMS, bottom for the next fix in the altitude selector, and keep the VS set to a rate higher than what the FMS requires. Keeps you in the gap without having to do anything real thinking. Adjust VS as necessary on the way down to help with slowing and to avoid leveling off at each fix. No more ASAPs for busting altitudes and speeds because you didn’t know what the airplane was doing.
BOOVE to SHIMP is the only spot where setting the tops will bite you. 2000 feet and 4.5ish miles.

If you use this technique then you have to watch all fixes on the VTO.
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My technique for descending via is to put top altitudes for the STAR in the FMS, bottom for the next fix in the altitude selector, and keep the VS set to a rate higher than what the FMS requires. Keeps you in the gap without having to do anything real thinking. Adjust VS as necessary on the way down to help with slowing and to avoid leveling off at each fix. No more ASAPs for busting altitudes and speeds because you didn’t know what the airplane was doing.

I love to set bottoms for all fixes and get down as fast as possible for each one of them. Usually request to delete speeds until towards the end. Keeps things exciting.
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What? Just set the bottoms, watch the altimeter and the plate while you descend. Look at VTO when your G.S. changes significantly. I know the 175 is childproof but anyone who did 1500 hrs with a student should be bored by this in normal conditions.

When it’s continuous moderate so you can’t hold onto the knobs on the FGC and American comes blasting up at you doing 6000 FPM and chases you off with an RA but ATC still wants you to make all the restrictions that’s different though. Thx Boston.

And don’t let anyone convince you to wait until 2500 FPM or something to start down. That sucks and is both unsafe and uncomfortable.
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I used a technique we developed at Expressjet when we were flying the Envoy birds. Set a hard altitude at each “gate” fix between the top and bottom, with the last 2 digits the speed. Ex: between FL240 and FL200 at 290 knots, I’d set something like 22029 at that fix. Then, to get TOD to pop up, set an initial VS. Then check the VTO page for the VS required to make the next fix, and set the altitude selector for the bottom of the STAR like you would on the 175. Fly the plane with the VS knob and adjust thrust and drag for speed. Lots less noise from the altitude selector on the way down that way. Just keep an eye on your required VS and you should be golden.
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