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It was brought to my attention that the new negotiating committee chairman is a lifer at envoy. My understanding is that 99.9% of the pilot group wants to flow, therefore this chairman doesn’t align with the pilot’s view. Just some food for thought!

“In Unity”

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Asinine assumptions!

I've got a bridge to sell you if you think the union/pilot group has any significant say in how many of us AA will take anyways.

Isn't he retiring soon anyway

Please be more specific. What am I assuming?

The union is suppose to represent what the pilot group wants. Idk if we have a significant say, but we gotta express our point of view.

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They did, when they voted in the NYC & DFW & Training Center Reps that voted Yes!

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I have pretty good information that there are at least a few new members on the negotiating committee that want to work for some QOL improvements.

I want to see some changes in both QOL and flow, but of course, who knows what will come out of any of this

I’m new to APC.

I don’t think it is relevant.

Having a lifer could be a good thing. The company cannot use flow as blackmail on getting things done.

"Forget the AIP, this is what we will give you. And you will sign, if you want to flow".

AIP? What is that

I wish we had a lifer as MEC too.

It's a good thing. Brings stability and vested interest.

Holy crap, I agree with dera on something.

You want someone who won't flow negotiating for you, because all the other folks who negotiated for you sold y'all down the river for their own flow's sake.

Man...

I can not believe I'm making a post in agreement with Dera.

I've always thought the guys that intend on staying here are the guys best suited for representing us. Give it a little thought, more than the surface "he's not like me" kinda thought, and I think you'll agree.

Don't forget to wash your hands if you feel dirty now.

It’s hard to wash off shame. I too also agree with Dera on this one. 😉

Racist, seriously? While I don’t agree with the post, there was never any mention of race.

The other reality is The Envoy is a diverse pilot group with diverse desires. There needs to be all groups represented.

Management has just one desire. Keep their costs to an absolute low while while simultaneously keeping pilot morale and expectations even lower.

Also you dont make it cheaper at regionals just to get your flow because then there is always a cheaper alternative. When and if flow stops it will be to late to fight for things. You will barely keep what you have.

If you keep the regionals as a cheap operation, why would mainline bring flying back to mainline. Please dont mention the hiring for the next 10 years, one big world screw up and that's all out the window. You play the averages, you all are putting all the eggs in one basket.

While 90% (NOT 99.9) may think all they want is more flow, QOL needs to improve for everyone, without giving up for more flow. Even with the recent raises, pilots are already giving up pay for that flow. The flow needs to be a lot more in quantity and frequency for what the pay is. That’s not likely to happen, but QOL improvements, specifically to reserve rules and schedules could be really improved without too much cost. The biggest cost would be to management and Crew Scheduling egos.

one word PILOT STRIKE !!!! jk

Look on the bright side, you could be like PSA where we have the MEC Chair, Vice Chair, and 3 of 6 voting reps are lifers.

Guess how bid their raises were back in April. Can't really blame them for that, because there weren't any real concessions attached, but it was a nice chunk of change, nonetheless.

Three things:

1. That's two words.

2. Pilots have gotten some pretty serious carpet dances for posting crap like that online. You want to bet your career on your anonymity on APC?

3. One 'e.'

Yo man. You have described yourself as an applicant/candidate.


You might want to lock that kind of talk up.

No one can take a joke.

Jokes aside, mgmt takes those jokes seriously. CYA.

Fair point boss. Thankfully I'm a corporate pilot

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Oh my God someone said strike. Where is your humanity. You should be burned at the stake for such a joke! :)

[MENTION=90230]CheewiesCopilot[/MENTION], the fear conditioning here is real.

Come one, come all for the flow, and witness the greatest ****show on earth! The future face of pilots at mainline will be interesting to witness. AAG will have a ball.

The taste of defeated Labor is a delight, they (executives) will savory it as long as possible before they swallow.

If the same chairman is a CA, can he represent the FOs? Of course he can. Get over it.

That has always been the problem.
Don’t poke the tiger..... trust me on that.

Which is why the union should employ professional negotiators to take the ire of management.