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bigtime209 12-31-2019 06:02 PM

The amount of guys sticking up for "CW" on this forum, supposedly by Envoy guys, is absolutely shocking. Many of you don't know half of the story of what that guy pulled. Do you really believe that he just happened to get the rep he did while in office?

CaseTractor 12-31-2019 06:26 PM

Although he didn't "hose" me, he was quite rude and arrogant towards me. I was trying to be proactive about consolidating, and it was tight being on reserve. Unfortunately, I had orders coming up I couldn't shift. I needed less than 2 hours to make it. Following the chain of command I went to him. He said something to the effect of "I don't need to help you people, and you don't deserve special treatment just being in the military.. if you have to repeat initial again that's between you and the training department."

Although technically true, I was floored since AA is generally so Mil friendly. I called the training department and they happily got me on the schedule to consolidate. He could have done that as easily as I did. It was strange. Taking care of people is really easier than trying to **** them off.

Cyio 01-01-2020 05:32 AM


Originally Posted by CaseTractor (Post 2948790)
Although he didn't "hose" me, he was quite rude and arrogant towards me. I was trying to be proactive about consolidating, and it was tight being on reserve. Unfortunately, I had orders coming up I couldn't shift. I needed less than 2 hours to make it. Following the chain of command I went to him. He said something to the effect of "I don't need to help you people, and you don't deserve special treatment just being in the military.. if you have to repeat initial again that's between you and the training department."

Although technically true, I was floored since AA is generally so Mil friendly. I called the training department and they happily got me on the schedule to consolidate. He could have done that as easily as I did. It was strange. Taking care of people is really easier than trying to **** them off.

Not sure why this is even a thing, the guy was unnecessarily bad to people. He often went out of his way to prove a point and levied spiteful punishments on people for no reason. Just talk to people in contract compliance about the guy.

He didn’t earn this reputation because he was awkward, he earned it for a reason.

Chato 01-01-2020 06:26 AM


Originally Posted by Cyio (Post 2948937)
Not sure why this is even a thing, the guy was unnecessarily bad to people. He often went out of his way to prove a point and levied spiteful punishments on people for no reason. Just talk to people in contract compliance about the guy.

He didn’t earn this reputation because he was awkward, he earned it for a reason.

Well he was way awkward but he was also rude for no reason. Experienced it first hand.

HobGoblin 01-01-2020 08:03 AM


Originally Posted by CaseTractor (Post 2948790)
Although he didn't "hose" me, he was quite rude and arrogant towards me. I was trying to be proactive about consolidating, and it was tight being on reserve. Unfortunately, I had orders coming up I couldn't shift. I needed less than 2 hours to make it. Following the chain of command I went to him. He said something to the effect of "I don't need to help you people, and you don't deserve special treatment just being in the military.. if you have to repeat initial again that's between you and the training department."

Although technically true, I was floored since AA is generally so Mil friendly. I called the training department and they happily got me on the schedule to consolidate. He could have done that as easily as I did. It was strange. Taking care of people is really easier than trying to **** them off.

Lol so you wanted him to make the phone call to training? He can’t give you flying. You talked to the wrong person. He sounds like a terrible guy. 🙄

BigZ 01-01-2020 08:13 AM


Originally Posted by HobGoblin (Post 2949016)
Lol so you wanted him to make the phone call to training? He can’t give you flying. You talked to the wrong person. He sounds like a terrible guy. 🙄

So when you're about to expire on landings and the HI6 says contact the CPO there's no point in doing that then? ;)

HobGoblin 01-01-2020 08:24 AM


Originally Posted by BigZ (Post 2949022)
So when you're about to expire on landings and the HI6 says contact the CPO there's no point in doing that then? ;)

Ha good point, but not the same thing

Cyio 01-01-2020 08:39 AM


Originally Posted by HobGoblin (Post 2949030)
Ha good point, but not the same thing

You seem to be missing the point, are defending for the sake of defending, are his personal friend or are him, not sure which. Bottom line people develop reputations for a reason and while some are not justified, this person has continually had negative interactions with the pilot group.

You notice we dont hear about our past DFW CPO being such a negative person? The CPO there wasn't a place to be afraid of nor did they go out of their way to be negative, ORD and CW certainly did. You can be a manager that carries the company line all day long, CW gave the impression he enjoyed being that way and enjoyed that the pilots feared him, that's the difference.

Anyway, it doesn't matter, he is AA's problem now and we all should just hope that he never makes it into the CPO over there, else we all suffer.

THKooj 01-01-2020 08:51 AM

I love how all you here in the peanut gallery hide behind screen names and throw rocks at someone who was simply following policy and procedure and just doing his job.

Cyio 01-01-2020 09:16 AM


Originally Posted by THKooj (Post 2949048)
I love how all you here in the peanut gallery hide behind screen names and throw rocks at someone who was simply following policy and procedure and just doing his job.

How about you give us your full name and employee number so that we all know who you are given you are so pro company. Would be nice to know.

Secondly, this is a "discussion" forum, therefore people are going to discuss things, some good, some bad with nothing but a screen name.

Lastly, this man created this himself. There hasn't been a single time that I can remember in years that when his name is brought up in the flight deck that it isn't immediately scorned. You can call me a liar all you want, but it still doesn't make me wrong.

Cyio 01-01-2020 09:19 AM


Originally Posted by THKooj (Post 2949048)
I love how all you here in the peanut gallery hide behind screen names and throw rocks at someone who was simply following policy and procedure and just doing his job.

Why doesn't DFW have this same reputation? Are you implying that in order to do that job you have to be the way CW was? If that is the case, are you also then implying that the DFW CPO doesn't do their job correctly?

THKooj 01-01-2020 09:32 AM

Most of the banter here is from keyboard warriors who want to sow dislike and distrust of the company. The comments about this particular individual are way overblown. It's clear he was doing his job. Like some guys who can't seem to folliw the manual and wear the appropriate uniform pieces, they are unhappy with any authority. I'm just pointing out facts.

Laminar 01-01-2020 05:42 PM


Originally Posted by THKooj (Post 2949080)
Most of the banter here is from keyboard warriors who want to sow dislike and distrust of the company. The comments about this particular individual are way overblown. It's clear he was doing his job. Like some guys who can't seem to folliw the manual and wear the appropriate uniform pieces, they are unhappy with any authority. I'm just pointing out facts.

Facts

JD ORD chief pilot was great. He was followed by CW. CW was horrible. Both held the same job and performed the same duties. One cared about the pilots, one went out of his way to flex his power negatively.

Karma Sucks

Ready2board 01-01-2020 09:22 PM


Originally Posted by Cyio (Post 2948937)
Not sure why this is even a thing, the guy was unnecessarily bad to people. He often went out of his way to prove a point and levied spiteful punishments on people for no reason. Just talk to people in contract compliance about the guy.

He didn’t earn this reputation because he was awkward, he earned it for a reason.

Yep. I was on the receiving end of some of his BS before I flowed. Had plenty of contractual type issues and unnecessary attempts with discipline *none of which stuck*.

MqWhistleblower 01-02-2020 05:14 AM

Is DJ coming back? She was a really good gal

Laminar 01-09-2020 06:23 PM

There is a petition going around for him not to be let into APA.

Approximately 15,000 signatures possible. Easy day.

ERAUAV8TR 01-22-2020 08:04 PM


Originally Posted by Laminar (Post 2954303)
There is a petition going around for him not to be let into APA.

Approximately 15,000 signatures possible. Easy day.

I know people that signed but need link to sign it who should I contact

FAIPMAFIA 02-15-2020 05:41 PM

Did he get Voted into APA?

martyByrde 02-16-2020 11:00 AM


Originally Posted by FAIPMAFIA (Post 2977799)
Did he get Voted into APA?

I hope not. The guy would schedule base indoc for the new guys on their day off (unpaid).

NoValueAviator 02-17-2020 05:00 PM

The new ORD guy MR is 100% NoValueAviator approved for anyone who cares. Opportunity for culture change fully exploited imo.

dera 02-17-2020 05:36 PM


Originally Posted by NoValueAviator (Post 2978930)
The new ORD guy MR is 100% NoValueAviator approved for anyone who cares. Opportunity for culture change fully exploited imo.

He is really good. Total u-turn from the previous turd.

FAIPMAFIA 02-17-2020 07:48 PM


Originally Posted by dera (Post 2978960)
He is really good. Total u-turn from the previous turd.

Thats great to hear!

Chato 02-17-2020 08:17 PM

This is good to hear. I have to say I have had a positive experience the last two times I had to deal with crew scheduling. Granted I’m not reserve, but they’ve worked with me when I totally expected them not to. I know this is separate from previous cp talk but just thought I’d put it out there. Give credit where credit is due..Hope I didnt jinx myself tho.

Cyio 02-18-2020 02:04 AM


Originally Posted by NoValueAviator (Post 2978930)
The new ORD guy MR is 100% NoValueAviator approved for anyone who cares. Opportunity for culture change fully exploited imo.

That is great news. Flew with him several times and always enjoyed the trips. Very knowledgeable.

Laminar 05-03-2020 06:59 AM

I hope there is not a chief pilot flow back.

I think I just threw up a little in my mouth.

Cyio 05-03-2020 09:19 AM


Originally Posted by Laminar (Post 3047779)
I hope there is not a chief pilot flow back.

I think I just threw up a little in my mouth.

lol, yeah no. I too just gagged a little at the thought of that.


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