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Flaps18 12-09-2019 08:26 PM

CW CPO ORD Gone, Time For Culture Change!
 
As CW moves on from CPO ORD an opportunity to make Eagle Great again emerges!

Less toxic! A better open door policy. Positive Atmosphere. Open Communication. Less fear tactics! Better Management style. Great leadership opportunities!

Great day at Envoy.

captive apple 12-09-2019 08:39 PM


Originally Posted by Flaps18 (Post 2936365)
As CW moves on from CPO ORD an opportunity to make Eagle Great again emerges!

Less toxic! A better open door policy. Positive Atmosphere. Open Communication. Less fear tactics! Better Management style. Great leadership opportunities!

Great day at Envoy.

Did he flow?

Gooselives 12-09-2019 08:52 PM


Originally Posted by captive apple (Post 2936372)
Did he flow?

Yes AAs problem

dera 12-09-2019 09:16 PM

Shortest book in the world:
People who will miss CW.

Chato 12-10-2019 12:48 AM

Had an interaction with the guy once and thought was the rudest person, come to find out later in the day it was CW.
Glad he is gone.

ERAUAV8TR 12-10-2019 06:10 AM

He definitely played favoritisms toward a select few.

Very Toxic Aura!

MqWhistleblower 12-10-2019 08:40 AM

I have heard rumors that Denise is coming back. I miss seeing a nice gal in the office.

Cujo665 12-10-2019 12:36 PM

It all starts from the top....

Toolbox9909 12-10-2019 12:54 PM


Originally Posted by Cujo665 (Post 2936613)
It all starts from the top....

who's the temp ORD CP?
any good?

MqWhistleblower 12-10-2019 01:38 PM


Originally Posted by Toolbox9909 (Post 2936624)
who's the temp ORD CP?
any good?

Check your hi6

pitchattitude 12-10-2019 02:21 PM


Originally Posted by Toolbox9909 (Post 2936624)
who's the temp ORD CP?
any good?

I met him briefly. Personable and helpful.

imthecaptainnow 12-10-2019 06:51 PM


Originally Posted by Gooselives (Post 2936375)
Yes AAs problem

AA school house knows his reputation. It’ll be interesting to hear how that all goes.

martyByrde 12-10-2019 07:30 PM


Originally Posted by imthecaptainnow (Post 2936786)
AA school house knows his reputation. It’ll be interesting to hear how that all goes.

I’ve heard this before... in all honesty, what would are they going to do?

ERAUAV8TR 12-11-2019 04:23 AM

Great Time At Eagle
 
Well...if we look at history...he does have something to worry about...he has hurt a lot of pilots that are now in training house over there...other Eagle pilots have been strong armed out of there for good reason...poor attitude mostly

Bye CW

UncreativeUser 12-11-2019 07:14 AM

CW is gone and a limited reopener in October of 2020, this year is gonna bring a huge culture change for sure hopefully for the better!


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ENH017 12-11-2019 07:37 AM


Originally Posted by UncreativeUser (Post 2936965)
CW is gone and a limited reopener in October of 2020, this year is gonna bring a huge culture change for sure hopefully for the better!


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Toolbox9909 12-11-2019 09:21 AM


Originally Posted by ERAUAV8TR (Post 2936866)
Well...if we look at history...he does have something to worry about...he has hurt a lot of pilots that are now in training house over there...other Eagle pilots have been strong armed out of there for good reason...poor attitude mostly

Bye CW

yup.
unprofessional sums it up.
in any other line of work, this manager would have been canned, asap.

Chato 12-11-2019 09:44 AM


Originally Posted by ENH017 (Post 2936974)

On point.


Captchaaa

Gooselives 12-13-2019 05:59 PM

Heard from a few guys that the interim CP is nice, professional, and good communicator

Tides have changed

Swiftly

#karma

crj700 12-14-2019 08:10 AM


Originally Posted by Gooselives (Post 2938511)
Heard from a few guys that the interim CP is nice, professional, and good communicator

Tides have changed

Swiftly

#karma

A lot of new hires aren't aware, but the last guy was an anomaly, not the norm.

Cujo665 12-17-2019 01:12 PM


Originally Posted by martyByrde (Post 2936794)
I’ve heard this before... in all honesty, what would are they going to do?

You’d be surprised.

UncreativeUser 12-17-2019 04:28 PM


Originally Posted by crj700 (Post 2938792)
A lot of new hires aren't aware, but the last guy was an anomaly, not the norm.



Like CW was an anomaly or the interim one?


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crj700 12-17-2019 06:16 PM


Originally Posted by UncreativeUser (Post 2940821)
Like CW was an anomaly or the interim one?


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CW


Filler for 10 char

ERAUAV8TR 12-19-2019 08:18 PM


Originally Posted by crj700 (Post 2940880)
CW


Filler for 10 char

Aviation industry is too small to be a horrible person to pilots...he is known throughout AA...sad really...a few years at envoy and decades at AA hopefully xxxx changes his ways

Cyio 12-20-2019 02:21 AM


Originally Posted by ERAUAV8TR (Post 2942100)
Aviation industry is too small to be a horrible person to pilots...he is known throughout AA...sad really...a few years at envoy and decades at AA hopefully Xxxx changes his ways

Yeah he was overtly terrible to some pilots while being overtly patient with others. Some of his decisions still rack my brain trying to understand the logic behind them. Anyway, he is certainly known at AA, what that means is a mystery, however I know he has a target on his back from many a pilot.

black cat 12-20-2019 04:21 PM


Originally Posted by ERAUAV8TR (Post 2942100)
Aviation industry is too small to be a horrible person to pilots...he is known throughout AA...sad really...a few years at envoy and decades at AA hopefully Warren changes his ways

I can confirm this. His name is known on the AA side by many CAs and his reputation is well known. He is known as not being a friend to pilots and he may end up having a hard time over here.

FAIPMAFIA 12-24-2019 05:10 AM


Originally Posted by black cat (Post 2942596)
I can confirm this. His name is known on the AA side by many CAs and his reputation is well known. He is known as not being a friend to pilots and he may end up having a hard time over here.

Total bs man! Let the guy be. Every time I was in his office he seemed professional. Let’s not forget we do have some bad apples with big mouths in our side too.

MD-11Loader 12-24-2019 10:43 AM


Originally Posted by FAIPMAFIA (Post 2944298)
Total bs man! Let the guy be. Every time I was in his office he seemed professional. Let’s not forget we do have some bad apples with big mouths in our side too.

The guy was notorious for the head games that he played with pilots. DJ being allowed to give out pre-filled step letters for uniform violations happened under his tenure as well. I’m sure you can find a lot of people who weren’t happy with his reign. You have a lot of people who have flowed before him. Unfortunately his name is known to APA and they could choose to vote no when it comes time to make him a member.

Toolbox9909 12-24-2019 01:28 PM


Originally Posted by FAIPMAFIA (Post 2944298)
Total bs man! Let the guy be. Every time I was in his office he seemed professional. Let’s not forget we do have some bad apples with big mouths in our side too.

He was unprofessional for his role, and deserves whatever he gets in the future.

Laminar 12-24-2019 07:36 PM

Most Unprofessional Human Being I Have EVER Met!

#votenoapa

Disgusting soul

FAIPMAFIA 12-25-2019 09:51 AM


Originally Posted by MD-11Loader (Post 2944510)
The guy was notorious for the head games that he played with pilots. DJ being allowed to give out pre-filled step letters for uniform violations happened under his tenure as well. I’m sure you can find a lot of people who weren’t happy with his reign. You have a lot of people who have flowed before him. Unfortunately his name is known to APA and they could choose to vote no when it comes time to make him a member.

I know you personally and I know you have better knowledge than me of what went down in his office. With that said then he deserves what’s coming to him then.

blizzue 12-26-2019 06:25 PM

Sending him my two week notice was a career highlight.

black cat 12-27-2019 07:47 PM


Originally Posted by FAIPMAFIA (Post 2944298)
Total bs man! Let the guy be. Every time I was in his office he seemed professional. Let’s not forget we do have some bad apples with big mouths in our side too.

It's not BS. I know absolutely nothing about the guy. But I do know his name is known on the AA side of the fence. I've heard that much.

Overandunder 12-30-2019 11:04 AM


Originally Posted by MD-11Loader (Post 2944510)
The guy was notorious for the head games that he played with pilots. DJ being allowed to give out pre-filled step letters for uniform violations happened under his tenure as well. I’m sure you can find a lot of people who weren’t happy with his reign. You have a lot of people who have flowed before him. Unfortunately his name is known to APA and they could choose to vote no when it comes time to make him a member.


So your telling me we as Pilots we don't know the uniform policy?? And when we don't follow company guidelines or policy and we get disciplined for it, we as Pilots don't take accountability. Ive been here almost 20 years and management changes routinely, but company policy and guidelines rarely change. I've broken a few of them and paid the price, but I took responsibility for those actions. No ones fault but mine. If you are in that office, then you are being watched as you aren't doing the job you are hired to do.
CW wasn't always right, but who is. Too much finger pointing doesn't fix anything unless your doing in front of a mirror.

LowvalueFO 12-30-2019 12:32 PM


Originally Posted by Overandunder (Post 2947802)
So your telling me we as Pilots we don't know the uniform policy?? And when we don't follow company guidelines or policy and we get disciplined for it, we as Pilots don't take accountability. Ive been here almost 20 years and management changes routinely, but company policy and guidelines rarely change. I've broken a few of them and paid the price, but I took responsibility for those actions. No ones fault but mine. If you are in that office, then you are being watched as you aren't doing the job you are hired to do.
CW wasn't always right, but who is. Too much finger pointing doesn't fix anything unless your doing in front of a mirror.

Someone read RW's Christmas present, but change should start from the top ... It would be nice to have a much less toxic and hostile company culture so people in all departments start going out of their little lanes and can apply common sense, but hey that would make this place actual desirable to work for, besides the pay and QOL issues.

HobGoblin 12-30-2019 01:36 PM


Originally Posted by MD-11Loader (Post 2944510)
The guy was notorious for the head games that he played with pilots. DJ being allowed to give out pre-filled step letters for uniform violations happened under his tenure as well. I’m sure you can find a lot of people who weren’t happy with his reign. You have a lot of people who have flowed before him. Unfortunately his name is known to APA and they could choose to vote no when it comes time to make him a member.

He didn’t ”allow DJ to do that,” she did it on her own accord and he shut it down when he found out. Lets not forget he’s the one who fired her.

I never had any issues with CW in my time in ORD. The previous NY CP, now that’s a different story...

450knotOffice 12-30-2019 06:52 PM


Originally Posted by Overandunder (Post 2947802)
So your telling me we as Pilots we don't know the uniform policy?? And when we don't follow company guidelines or policy and we get disciplined for it, we as Pilots don't take accountability. Ive been here almost 20 years and management changes routinely, but company policy and guidelines rarely change. I've broken a few of them and paid the price, but I took responsibility for those actions. No ones fault but mine. If you are in that office, then you are being watched as you aren't doing the job you are hired to do.
CW wasn't always right, but who is. Too much finger pointing doesn't fix anything unless your doing in front of a mirror.

THIS right here is the perfect example of the major culture difference between Envoy and AA. I spent 22 years over there and can vouch for this sort of tick-tack disciplinary behavior by some Chiefs. It was much too common over there and was a reflection of how senior management viewed their employees. In stark contrast, in the 6-1/2 years I've been on the AA side, I've had nothing but very polite, very professional treatment from all the Chiefs I've dealt with. They have always treated us with dignity and respect here. Uniform policy enforcement? Trust me, the pilots here adhere to the policy to about the same extent as their Envoy brethren, yet I have NEVER heard of any chief giving a rat's a$$ about enforcing uniform policy. They have better things to worry about.

The fact that the poster above is so smug about this speaks volumes. I hope he or she stays on that side of the fence, and if not, then NEVER works his or way into a Chief pilot's position.

AAfng 12-30-2019 07:17 PM

Lots of aa guys wearing whatever the heck they want, its slmost comical

DilsonWic 12-31-2019 01:52 PM

I’ve been “bragging” about CW every chance I get. And am surprised when some already know about him. Couldn’t have happened to a nicer guy.

rld1k 12-31-2019 03:24 PM


Originally Posted by Overandunder (Post 2947802)
So your telling me we as Pilots we don't know the uniform policy?? And when we don't follow company guidelines or policy and we get disciplined for it, we as Pilots don't take accountability. Ive been here almost 20 years and management changes routinely, but company policy and guidelines rarely change. I've broken a few of them and paid the price, but I took responsibility for those actions. No ones fault but mine. If you are in that office, then you are being watched as you aren't doing the job you are hired to do.
CW wasn't always right, but who is. Too much finger pointing doesn't fix anything unless your doing in front of a mirror.

Stockholm syndrome


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