Envoy vs Sun Country
 

Thoughts on Envoy vs Sun Country

Currently i'm about a 3 hour drive from DFW (but have regional service to DFW). I have offers from ExpressJet, Skywest, Envoy, Atlas (maybe ABX and ATI with pending interviews), and Sun Country.

For now a commute is inevitable for all...but Envoy could get me closest to home during training. So really the question I have is; how long should it take to have DFW basing--hope for DFW out of training and if not go get the 73 type and fly for Sun Country for awhile?? 76 or 74 type at the ACMI's? But, Atlas' $1600/mo training pay is a joke and the other ACMI's 16/17 on 13/14 off doesn't present the best QoL...but is it better or worse than regional flying (I know many factors influence this for each of us personally though).

I have competitive numbers for the majors (4000 TT/2000 PIC military flying, clean background, and been available for the last 2 months) but just can't seem to find the phone ringing with one of them on the other end (apps only been in 2-4 months though)). I read a lot how my background shouldn't need more than a touch and go somewhere outside of the majors...or if at all, but it is what it is and it comes down to this; the last paycheck came at the end of last month with the flight hours ~5 months ago...so I need a paycheck, recency and ready to start getting some 121 experience!

TIA for ideas and opinions...open to it all.

Do you have any interest in Southwest?

Going to Sun Country, knocking out a B-737 type, and then getting time in type might set you up for success. Also, they're due for a new contract and they'll likely catch up with the other U/LCCs ... maybe.

Living in base is awesome, being 3 hours out though is just far enough away that you're doing the right thing by looking at other carriers.

Have you tried for Spirit or Frontier? Spirit has DFW and a pretty nice contract.

I obviously don't know what kind of military flying you were doing and how much is PIC / heavy or now, but getting a WB Boeing type, and doing some crossings would probably get you a call pretty quick from UPS or FedEx.

You’re at the bottom of the competitive range time wise and have no 121 PIC time. Mil or not that is a issue for legacy’s. Do civ volunteer work get a degree. Legacy’s hire less than 3% off the street without one. Go anywhere to start paying your bills, cut your teeth. Subjective question, objective answer.
Prior mil here also.

C-17 / T-6 IP ... active apps there but nothing yet.

Thought about a Ph D. just for the heck of it, but stopped at my Masters degree.

Apps in at just about them all.

I’d plan on moving to Minni if you go the Sunny route. I’m commuting now and it’s pretty bad. I’ll be moving sooner than later.

Go with who can get you to class soonest and shortest reserve time. Accept the suck in the meantime and just accept you will be away for a while. Short term pain for long term gain.

^truth...lots of AF guys getting out for the 121 world. Some get called, some don’t. Welcome to the civilian world. Best of luck job hunting. You’ll find a gig.

If the "stay" at whatever company, while enroute to the majors, is expected to be 12-18 months to freshen currency and check the 121 box, would it be better to not commute, and work for peanuts, at Envoy (DFW base in theory), or commute, make more, but crash pad, commute related stress, etc, for Sun Country.

again, the assumption is 12-18 month "temporary stay"