Originally Posted by THKooj
(Post 2956368)
The large majority of what you posted here is blatantly false. It's your own opinion only and you are sharing it as if it is indeed fact. Flow is NOT going to be 9 or 10 years. That's way off base. Read more like 6. And I would seriously expect that to drop in the coming year as retirements ramp up. American needs pilots and Envoy has a steady supply. All things point toward it making complete sense that the flow increases dropping the time below 5 years.
How about you go line by line and debunk what was posted? Also, did he/she not say the flow is likely to be closer to 7 years? :rolleyes: Reading for comprehension, brah. My only critique is of point 4. Any conjecture on any LAX happening or not happening is just speculation. Otherwise my experience matches this post one hundred puh-cent. |
Originally Posted by Cyio
(Post 2956388)
A couple posts up you stated 6 year flow. Now you're mentioning a 5 year flow. Which is it? Can you please explain how the company will be able to handle an increased flow?
We all know you didn't flow, else why would you still be here championing the cause? If you can show how the company can realistically flow 35+ pilots a month in the coming year or so, I will gladly admit my error. However I dont think you can so you come on here and throw over the top cheerleading posts up. I would qualify the flow today at 6 or less with that number dropping in the near future due to the sheer number of retirements at AA. The training department has the ability to ramp up further if given marching orders to do so. The new hires aren't a problem as there is a line out the door on Regent stretching to downtown Dallas with pipeline hopefuls vying for their chance to get in and get that American Airlines career job. So there you go. A very bright future ahead for Envoy for sure. |
Originally Posted by THKooj
(Post 2956393)
Yes, as a matter of fact, I did flow. As a 2007 hire, I flowed in the summer of 2018. Why do I still come here and champion the cause, as you say? Because I 100% believe in it as I mentioned. I have had a spectacular career and that was being hired in the lost decade. Besides, we are all the same. It would be hypocritical of me to state that you are an AA pilot from day one and then abandon my post after flowing.
I would qualify the flow today at 6 or less with that number dropping in the near future due to the sheer number of retirements at AA. The training department has the ability to ramp up further if given marching orders to do so. The new hires aren't a problem as there is a line out the door on Regent stretching to downtown Dallas with pipeline hopefuls vying for their chance to get in and get that American Airlines career job. So there you go. A very bright future ahead for Envoy for sure. The OP has some very healthy skepticism toward AAG and criticism of Envoy as a company. There's no perfect regional carrier and they are all stepping stones to greener pastures, but the lack of truth-in-advertising with The Voy makes OP's post golden. I wish I had a transparent look at the company before coming here. Would I have gone elsewhere? Maybe, maybe not. I came here because the flow ensures my QOL goes up each month, but I sure as hell do not intend to flow to AA. Frankly, the LCCs look more appealing than AA in 2020 and beyond. |
Originally Posted by UnprotectdPilot
(Post 2956302)
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Originally Posted by THKooj
(Post 2956393)
Yes, as a matter of fact, I did flow. As a 2007 hire, I flowed in the summer of 2018. Why do I still come here and champion the cause, as you say? Because I 100% believe in it as I mentioned. I have had a spectacular career and that was being hired in the lost decade. Besides, we are all the same. It would be hypocritical of me to state that you are an AA pilot from day one and then abandon my post after flowing.
I would qualify the flow today at 6 or less with that number dropping in the near future due to the sheer number of retirements at AA. The training department has the ability to ramp up further if given marching orders to do so. The new hires aren't a problem as there is a line out the door on Regent stretching to downtown Dallas with pipeline hopefuls vying for their chance to get in and get that American Airlines career job. So there you go. A very bright future ahead for Envoy for sure. |
Originally Posted by Cyio
(Post 2956399)
My responses are underlined.
https://media.giphy.com/media/7rj2ZgttvgomY/giphy.gif I also agree with your assessment -- Just wanted to add, I think Envoy has made huge improvements over the years I have been here, which is great. It doesn't mean they are great yet, but improving. If they could manage 30 a month flow numbers, fix the reserve rules and get those planes from Compass, I think they would be looking highly attractive for a larger pool of pilots. |
Originally Posted by THKooj
(Post 2956393)
Yes, as a matter of fact, I did flow. As a 2007 hire, I flowed in the summer of 2018. Why do I still come here and champion the cause, as you say? Because I 100% believe in it as I mentioned. I have had a spectacular career and that was being hired in the lost decade. Besides, we are all the same. It would be hypocritical of me to state that you are an AA pilot from day one and then abandon my post after flowing.
I would qualify the flow today at 6 or less with that number dropping in the near future due to the sheer number of retirements at AA. The training department has the ability to ramp up further if given marching orders to do so. The new hires aren't a problem as there is a line out the door on Regent stretching to downtown Dallas with pipeline hopefuls vying for their chance to get in and get that American Airlines career job. So there you go. A very bright future ahead for Envoy for sure. Why were you unbanned? Constant personal attacks and blatant lies. |
Originally Posted by 6ix9ineYearFlow
(Post 2956422)
Hell, even with a few hundred hours of TPIC, guys are getting picked up at Delta. TPIC isn't everything on a resume.
Spirit, Frontier, and Allegiant do not equal the same career expectations or opportunities that exist at the legacies. Quick cash, etc., does not constitute playing the long game. (Heck, you could almost say the same thing about Alaska or Jetblue who each have their own structural issues) If guys want to give up flow to roll the dice at one of them, it probably behooves them to do a careful line by line. |
Originally Posted by uavking
(Post 2956523)
A couple of outliers with family connections or unique resumes do not constitute a trend. Outside of the usual USAF/USN fighter or heavy profile, civilian hires at the big three still fit the usual profile of 4000-5000 TT, 1000-1500+ TPIC, volunteer and/or union work, and maybe a check airman letter.
Spirit, Frontier, and Allegiant do not equal the same career expectations or opportunities that exist at the legacies. Quick cash, etc., does not constitute playing the long game. (Heck, you could almost say the same thing about Alaska or Jetblue who each have their own structural issues) If guys want to give up flow to roll the dice at one of them, it probably behooves them to do a careful line by line. |
Originally Posted by uavking
(Post 2956523)
A couple of outliers with family connections or unique resumes do not constitute a trend. Outside of the usual USAF/USN fighter or heavy profile, civilian hires at the big three still fit the usual profile of 4000-5000 TT, 1000-1500+ TPIC, volunteer and/or union work, and maybe a check airman letter.
Spirit, Frontier, and Allegiant do not equal the same career expectations or opportunities that exist at the legacies. Quick cash, etc., does not constitute playing the long game. (Heck, you could almost say the same thing about Alaska or Jetblue who each have their own structural issues) If guys want to give up flow to roll the dice at one of them, it probably behooves them to do a careful line by line. Depending on your age and other factors, there are opportunities for all, which I think is the underlying point to all of these threads, with Spirit getting most of the attention. If you are 40+ and have a couple years to flow, I think Spirit and the like will make you more in the long run. You will get paid better faster and most importantly upgrade faster. Its all speculation and educated guessing though. |
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