Near Entry Captain
 

Just curious what this pays starting out and the scoop???

Do you have any clue of how many DEC’s or NEC they fire here before they reach their probation period?

No I don’t. I haven’t heard of any DEC get fired. Unless they guy that turned the wrong way out of ORD a while back.

Perhaps you need to start taking a look at the reserve list often in all bases from now on!

Maybe we can start by answering the question people want answers not how many people get fired

Cant say I have heard about it either, so if it is happening they are leaving quietly, which may mean they deserved it. Otherwise, why would ask a question to the OP who is asking a question? They dont have access to reserve lists.

In terms of pay, I think they are offering up to 37K for past experience, however that seems to be ever changing so I could be wrong. In terms of QOL, you will get the 145 if not in new hire, on the next vacancy due to displacements and your seniority. On that topic, you will be forever junior and I would plan on at least a couple years in LGA sitting reserve.

If you need the bonus money, need the PIC right away or need the flow, it may be worth it. If those three dont jive with you, I would suggest looking elsewhere simply because you will have a bunch of FO's upgrading on top of you. Also, I would try to live in base given your situation as a new DEC.

The CA is back on the line.

I know exactly how many.
It's not many. Less than 5 last year.

So the pay is 1st year captain and not first year FO?

Yes, as a Captain you'll be paid the Captain rate. I believe its like $75ish an hour?

Cool, thanks!!!

Did spirit call Dera? Oh no, they don’t care about your less than 2800 hour non PIC experience. Looks like someone got displaced to e145 captain and is no longer living In His land of unicorns. Remember during contract negotiations how you said we all just complain and %{*}++ so
much, cause you had it great? Your about to see how the other half of the airline Lives ;)

cheers from JetBlue my friend.

good luck in the polls.

Seeing some responses, thank you speedbrakearmed!!

He isn't a captain yet. And also looks like he's running for a FO union spot. That should be interesting.

As a direct entry captain, you start right away with the captain's pay rate during training. The current sign-on bonus is 50K.
You will do CBT's, Groundschool then your ORAL which you have to pass before you go to the Simulator training.
Once you pass your type ride, you get signed off for IOE. I believe its currently 50 hours for direct entry captains, not sure what it is for the near entry guys as they start out as FO.

Verify with recruiting the pay rates as I am not sure if the near entry guys get paid FO or CA pay.

As previously said, be aware that you are looking at about 3 years plus of reserve time, make sure the sign-on bonus is worth it, they don't pay that out of kindness.

New York and Chicago will be your only option for a while, DFW and MIA will be out of reach for quite some time.

Hope this helps.

It is 50 hours of IOE for all captains, including QU's.

As I understand, you will start at FO pay but as soon as you are awarded a captain seat, either through standing bid or regular vacancy, you begin receiving captain pay. If you have the hours and qualify, you might as well put in for the standing bid to get the pay sooner. That being said, not 100% sure there is currently a standing vacancy. Prior to the vacancy that was just announced, pretty much everyone would and I think most still are saying to expect 145 to NY as junior captain, but there were not any 145 captain seats for either NY or ORD this time around, so who knows.

Not all captains. Only new captains. If you were previously qualified as an Envoy captain (passed Fed ride), you only get 25 hours.

But is Envoy currently hiring “direct entry captains”? My understanding was that was done and even if you had the time you were hired as an FO that is immediately eligible for upgrade?

True. Forgot to add "new" in there.
50 hours for "Any pilot upgrading to a Captain status".

Recruiting will have the answer for him.

Yes. And make sure any employment offer you sign has the info in it. I have heard that in the past it varied widely what people got.

Is Envoy taking DECs again?

I have 500 hrs part 121 in another company and going to start soon as a near entry captain, if I get the 175 ( in case there are not too much cadets) am I still going to be displaced as soon as I get the 1000 hours part 121? Or am I going to have a seat lock position? Is there any advice before doing the move?

btw the bonus is 23k starting 8k after training and 10k after the year so far

you will get displaced to whatever your seniority can hold at that time - 145 CA in ORD or LGA most likely. Displacement doesn't come with a seat lock, so you could bid over to 175 at some point.
The FO seat lock is eternal unless you upgrade or get displaced - so no, they will bump you off of the 175, training costs be damned.

how long it takes to get Miami as an E145 F.O and E145 captain?

If memory serves, Captain will be a few years. It is our senior 145 base. FO maybe a year or so.

it varies
Last bid 2.5ish yrs CA got bumped out to NY, then recently CA were TDY'd to MIA to cover flying. But at any rate, it is a small base. Ask again in 3 weeks, a quarterly bid will close and the results will be up.

6ish months for FO, 2.5 years for CA

Near entry Captain's are a great deal as the program allows you to upgrade as soon as you have the time so you can start collecting CA pay! Yes, you may be on reserve for a little longer than someone who doesn't have the time currently, but with a 5.5 year flow and falling, you will be at AA before you know it. Great decision on your part to get into Envoy if you can.

$37000 on day one
$10000 upon completion of ioe
$8000 at the end of probation (1 year) that is if u make probation.

you will be hired as a fo and right away displaced to captain on the 145 (a loop hole to get around the union’s stance against hiring street captains).

don’t spend it all in Vegas (booze, strippers and gambling) but than again you live only once :D

Once again, troll, explain the math of a 5.5 year and falling flow.

You keep touting it, but you can not back it up. Show the math or you get zero credit.

I've explained it in previous posts. The fact of the matter remains that AA needs pilots now and will need many, many more in the future. Envoy is well positioned to supply that need. Much more so than at present.

No, you have said AA needs pilots. So does everyone else. Just because AA needs pilots does NOT mean the flow from Envoy is increasing. And that is BECAUSE Envoy is NOT in a position to supply them. Training can’t keep up with that quantity.

No math, NO credit.

I have stated the the training capacity will have to increase. AA needs the pilots. They will make it happen. Starting with those 20 extra 175s that will begin arriving late this year. I would imagine that there are training managers all over this upcoming capacity increase RIGHT NOW. Might I suggest swinging toward a more positive attitude. It can work wonders. The hard part is over. You have a seat at AA. Why so negative?

You have explained exactly zero on how you think the flow will increase. Just saying over and over that something will work doesn't mean it will. Show the MATH behind your assumptions, you may win people over, but until then, you are just cr700 spouting nonsense that is so over the top, people dont believe you.

So this is what you need to do.
1. Explain how you get to a 5.5 year flow with current numbers and flow formulas.
2. Explain, with current numbers, how this flow time will be "falling" as you say.

If you cant do either of those, you are just making assumptions and we can all do that, watch. Hey, we will have a 9 year flow, prove me wrong.

Until then, go back to "AA" forums and stay out of our business, just like you tell Cujo to stay out of here. You are no different than the one you like to mock at this point.

Agree with everything here except that a 5.5 year and falling flow is a certainty. For the right people, DEC program is a godsend, for others, it doesn't work out the way they planned. To the OP, just make sure you are confortable with being LGA based, comfortable being in the 145 indefinitely and be comfortable with long stretched of airport standby as that is what you will get. Every FO hired prior to you coming in gets to bump you down the seniority list, which means you will have years of sitting stby. Do with it as you will and best of luck regardless of your decision.

Any (educated) guesses where those 20 175s will go? Apparently Skywest is taking over Compass flying starting November.

Adding more 175s, whether from Compass (likely) or new purchase (at some point) doesn’t mean that training can just ramp up. The elimination of the CRJ does simplify things and certainly helps, but Envoy had to delay the most recent bid by a month and that bid is smaller than most previous bids the last several years. They are already falling behind last years numbers with a stated plan of more than last year. To decrease flow time, flow numbers have to increase which means MORE that a 1 to 1 of flow to hires. Present numbers are 1 to 2. And every one of those flows have to become captain first. Every flow that is a check airman requires THREE training events to replace them. A new hire, an upgrade and a check airman qualification.

These are facts that support a flow time NOT decreasing. The only thing that supports a decreased flow time is outside attrition or a LOA or contract change to increase the flow.

That doesn’t exist. If it did, YOU wouldn’t be the one to be announcing it.