AA OTS hiring - a crack in the W/O wall
01-29-2020, 08:52 AM
#71
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Originally Posted by THKooj
you will stay here because you KNOW that Envoy itself is superior to any ULCC.
How many new hires have we had at the Envoy coming from Frontier or Spirit? You should probably start Envoy recruiting threads in those forums. I'll make some popcorn.
Last edited by Tyrion; 01-29-2020 at 08:52 AM. Reason: typo
01-29-2020, 01:31 PM
#72
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Originally Posted by Cyio
Could you please let me know when I "loud mouthed" leaving here? I have stated that there are other viable options, yes. I have stated I have offers from other places, yes. Have I loud mouthed that, I dont think so. Will I defend my fellow pilots and try to look out for their future, yes. An increase flow will help everyone, you telling us patience doesn't do a thing.
Since we all know you are sitting at the Envoy HQ, why dont you share some specifics into it? Oh wait, you cant and as usually instead of actually disputing specific things with what I posted, you make these very far fetched blanket statements. How about you specifically list what I said that was incorrect and tell us your solutions to it? I know, you cant and won't because you dont have anything.
Since we all know you are sitting at the Envoy HQ, why dont you share some specifics into it? Oh wait, you cant and as usually instead of actually disputing specific things with what I posted, you make these very far fetched blanket statements. How about you specifically list what I said that was incorrect and tell us your solutions to it? I know, you cant and won't because you dont have anything.
If I'm making a blanket statement, it's because I can't reveal more detail at the current moment, however I'm giving you what I can for now. Now, back to your Envoy status. I'm simply stating that you know it's way too good here to leave so all this talk about moving on and "making a decision soon" is nothing but a bunch of hot air. Whether you have 5 years or 2 years to flow, it doesn't matter. Leaving for anything other than maybe Delta, and that's a big maybe, is a bad move and would be a mistake. You coming on here and making this very public is within only about 5 to 10% of the Envoy pilot corps. I talk to many Envoy pilots on a regular basis and by far, the sentiment is pro Envoy/AA around the 90% margin.
01-29-2020, 02:40 PM
#74
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Originally Posted by THKooj
I'm not sitting at Envoy HQ as I have flowed, however I still maintain VERY strong contacts there and have SEVERAL very reliable sources which is where I source my info. Believe me, it's far better than what Cujo is offering you here. One, he doesn't even work here and two, he has an axe to grind. His only "contacts" are maybe an old long departed from Envoy union buddy who has ZERO information on what is going on day to day.
If I'm making a blanket statement, it's because I can't reveal more detail at the current moment, however I'm giving you what I can for now. Now, back to your Envoy status. I'm simply stating that you know it's way too good here to leave so all this talk about moving on and "making a decision soon" is nothing but a bunch of hot air. Whether you have 5 years or 2 years to flow, it doesn't matter. Leaving for anything other than maybe Delta, and that's a big maybe, is a bad move and would be a mistake. You coming on here and making this very public is within only about 5 to 10% of the Envoy pilot corps. I talk to many Envoy pilots on a regular basis and by far, the sentiment is pro Envoy/AA around the 90% margin.
If I'm making a blanket statement, it's because I can't reveal more detail at the current moment, however I'm giving you what I can for now. Now, back to your Envoy status. I'm simply stating that you know it's way too good here to leave so all this talk about moving on and "making a decision soon" is nothing but a bunch of hot air. Whether you have 5 years or 2 years to flow, it doesn't matter. Leaving for anything other than maybe Delta, and that's a big maybe, is a bad move and would be a mistake. You coming on here and making this very public is within only about 5 to 10% of the Envoy pilot corps. I talk to many Envoy pilots on a regular basis and by far, the sentiment is pro Envoy/AA around the 90% margin.
How is making a decision "soon" anymore hot air then anything you are saying? Again I will wait for an actual answer not some Envoy grandstanding one you are known for.
It is easy for you to say you have flowed, but I dont see any other single AA pilot hanging out in the Envoy forum as consistently as you do. Sure some pop in once in awhile and give some words of advice, but then leave because ultimantly it doesn't effect them. Clearly, what we talk about greatly effects you because you are so strongly against it.
01-29-2020, 05:19 PM
#75
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Originally Posted by THKooj
I'm not sitting at Envoy HQ as I have flowed, however I still maintain VERY strong contacts there and have SEVERAL very reliable sources which is where I source my info. Believe me, it's far better than what Cujo is offering you here. One, he doesn't even work here and two, he has an axe to grind. His only "contacts" are maybe an old long departed from Envoy union buddy who has ZERO information on what is going on day to day.
If I'm making a blanket statement, it's because I can't reveal more detail at the current moment, however I'm giving you what I can for now. Now, back to your Envoy status. I'm simply stating that you know it's way too good here to leave so all this talk about moving on and "making a decision soon" is nothing but a bunch of hot air. Whether you have 5 years or 2 years to flow, it doesn't matter. Leaving for anything other than maybe Delta, and that's a big maybe, is a bad move and would be a mistake. You coming on here and making this very public is within only about 5 to 10% of the Envoy pilot corps. I talk to many Envoy pilots on a regular basis and by far, the sentiment is pro Envoy/AA around the 90% margin.
If I'm making a blanket statement, it's because I can't reveal more detail at the current moment, however I'm giving you what I can for now. Now, back to your Envoy status. I'm simply stating that you know it's way too good here to leave so all this talk about moving on and "making a decision soon" is nothing but a bunch of hot air. Whether you have 5 years or 2 years to flow, it doesn't matter. Leaving for anything other than maybe Delta, and that's a big maybe, is a bad move and would be a mistake. You coming on here and making this very public is within only about 5 to 10% of the Envoy pilot corps. I talk to many Envoy pilots on a regular basis and by far, the sentiment is pro Envoy/AA around the 90% margin.
01-30-2020, 08:18 AM
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If you count on the flow, you’re obviously too young to remember 2008, 9/11, the .com bust, recession in the late 80s etc. The entire goal of this job is get on the seniority list you plan to be on for 20 years ASAP, wherever that may be.
Look at the economy. Look at the low interest rates and QE money effects. The next downturn is going to be a doozy because we’ve got nothing else to brace the fall and it’s coming. As someone else said if you treat this like a part time job you’re going to get burned. Get here, hustle, and get gone.
Look at the economy. Look at the low interest rates and QE money effects. The next downturn is going to be a doozy because we’ve got nothing else to brace the fall and it’s coming. As someone else said if you treat this like a part time job you’re going to get burned. Get here, hustle, and get gone.
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