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rld1k 04-21-2020 11:47 AM


Originally Posted by NoValueAviator (Post 3037504)
Unfortunately, it is not as simple as predicting if it will happen. When is equally important, and with government money and politics involved, my appetite for risk is exceeded. Though clearly not everyone feels the same way.

Leap options go two years out

skyemiles2 04-21-2020 11:49 AM


Originally Posted by THKooj (Post 3037482)
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Just for you brah...

Sir, this is a Wendy’s.

Cujo665 04-21-2020 12:02 PM


Originally Posted by MEGAFUPM (Post 3037451)
Yes they have mentioned managements normal not talking to us until they want something we almost always agree to, but not that an outside firm has been hired as an inbetween. Pretty sad to hear about it first on here.

they never really stopped using F&H solutions. It’s not like they rehired them, they’ve pretty much had Glass doing AA/AE the past 7 years. He just becomes the point man when it’s screw over the employees in a big way time.
F&H Solutions is a labor relations & management company..... which is a polite way of saying union busters. That’s what Glass does, union busting.

pitchattitude 04-21-2020 12:45 PM


Originally Posted by Cujo665 (Post 3037515)
they never really stopped using F&H solutions. It’s not like they rehired them, they’ve pretty much had Glass doing AA/AE the past 7 years. He just becomes the point man when it’s screw over the employees in a big way time.
F&H Solutions is a labor relations & management company..... which is a polite way of saying union busters. That’s what Glass does, union busting.

But ALPA uses pilots. Our dues should be paying for some professional negotiators that can’t fired by the ‘Voy because they don’t work for the ‘Voy.

dera 04-21-2020 01:25 PM


Originally Posted by pitchattitude (Post 3037560)
But ALPA uses pilots. Our dues should be paying for some professional negotiators that can’t fired by the ‘Voy because they don’t work for the ‘Voy.

You're aware that Envoy MEC has a full time legal counsel working in the office, right?

But seriously 04-21-2020 01:57 PM


Originally Posted by dera (Post 3037594)
You're aware that Envoy MEC has a full time legal counsel working in the office, right?


He neither a negotiator, nor does he have a vote in approving, or even giving direction for, what the NC is discussing.

The fact that he can’t be intimidated by management is immaterial.

Varsity 04-21-2020 01:58 PM


Originally Posted by dera (Post 3037594)
You're aware that Envoy MEC has a full time legal counsel working in the office, right?

Not the same thing. Put a law firm on retainer

Chato 04-21-2020 01:59 PM


Originally Posted by dera (Post 3037594)
You're aware that Envoy MEC has a full time legal counsel working in the office, right?

Are these guys involved directly in negotiating with the company without fear of retaliation. That seems to be what people want here, no intimidation or fear you will get fired for sticking up for the pilot group.

Someone with no personal agenda, impartial who isn't looking for personal gain out of these agreements. ie- increased flow cause Im close to flowing, or a more pay for lifers cause I’m sticking around until age 65.

Varsity 04-21-2020 02:00 PM


Originally Posted by dera (Post 3037594)
You're aware that Envoy MEC has a full time legal counsel working in the office, right?

He’s suggesting the MEC put an outside law firm on retainer to handle all negotiations. They can talk to glass and co.

Its a good idea. It’s an even better idea if all 3 WO’s use the same firm..

Cujo665 04-21-2020 02:29 PM


Originally Posted by Varsity (Post 3037614)
He’s suggesting the MEC put an outside law firm on retainer to handle all negotiations. They can talk to glass and co.

Its a good idea. It’s an even better idea if all 3 WO’s use the same firm..


shazam... !!

even better if APA hires them too


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