Envoy commuter polict to LGA
 

Just interviewed and was briefed about the commuter policy to LGA. Company paid hotel for 3 months along with positive space travel for 3 months. Then 4 hotel rooms per month. How does this work out?? Seems like they're making it a better deal for LGA pilots to commute without the hassle etc. Also, in the company brief, we were told it's about 3-6 months before holding a line at LGA. I actually want LGA as a base becasue of the ease of commute from SAV so the 3 months of positive space travel and 3 months of company paid hotels seems like a pretty good deal to me. Thoughts?????

Its not "positive space" as most understand the term.
And somewhat hilariously, LGA went senior last vacancy bid :)

Yikes, that changes allot. I was going with Envoy becasue they appeared to make the commute from SAV to LGA fairly easy and somewhat stressfree. Need to try and get ATL or LGA as a base.

The LGA guys can comment because they know better, you can think of it as a very high priority standby. But if a plane is full, you are not riding on it.

AA is the worst offender for overselling flights

Ok, which one of you hacked dera's account?

half of today’s new hire class got LGA.

Not what the class drop thread said.

No they didn't. All ORD, and it is going to stay that way for a while.
And there were pilots bidding for LGA who didn't get it in the last vacancy bid.

It took Dera awhile to figure out that Envoy isn't the greatest thing since sliced bread and to kinda start acting like a line pilot instead of a huge management sympathizer. But it seems like he's slowly starting to figure it out. Envoy will eventually beat it out of anyone that's on the frontlines long enough.

I’m biting my tongue so hard I may bleed to death...

I never had an issue getting a confirmed seat if I did as the LOA says and book my A12 ticket 7 days out. As long as there are a certain # (10 I think) of seats open and 24 hours out you get a confirmed seat

I 2 leg it to LGA and had zero issues. I finished IOE in October and have a composite line this month, but if projections for April hold I could go back to reserve.

Positive space means they will kick out a paying passenger to accommodate you. So that is why it is not PS. Oversales also have higher priority than A12, so they can (and will) sell a plane full even if you have a confirmed seat.
How often this happens, I have no personal experience so I can't comment on it. But it's possible.

you’re right. That’s my mistake.

maybe it’s possible, but every time it happened to me, I kept my seat, even on crazy days with lots of cancellations around the holidays.

The good thing is that even though these would be unpaid removals, you have an unlimited number of missed trips because of this.

Your experience with A12 is nothing like mine. A12 is nearly worthless in my experience... in some scenarios, worse than D2 even.

Tell me in what scenario its worse than a D2 when an A12 his higher than a D1T

Any time the only way on the plane is via jumpseat.

it could create confusion, when you check in with an upgraded listing it removes de FDJ next to your name. If there are other guys trying to get it, they might skip you.

Hmmmm...

Your post makes it seem like you believe you can jumpseat on A travel.

You should never take the jumpseat over another pilot if you’re using a a12. Gate agents will allow it but it’s incredibly bad form and a crappy thing to do to someone on actual standby. If you wanna jumpseat d1 or d2.

So if you bid LGA straight out of training and don't get get it, when can you re-bid for it??? I know SkyWest allows you to bid every month, but not sure about Envoy.

Quarterly bid

on the next bid which it appears to be quarterly,BUT, I SAY IT AGAIN, BUT if your an fo only if you are on the e145. You cant bid fo e75 to fo e45 unless you proffer the displace or are displaced.

If I am trying to get home and it is the last seat in the plane hmmm idk maybe If I have the priority I will take it instead of getting bumped. A12 is not confirmed as it would be a regular deadhead.

If you pick up OT out of a different base, you can call scheduling and ask for a dhd back to base on the last day, it is at discretion of CS to give you it; however; if they do they will give you an A12 pass at which point I am trying to get back home just as the guy next to me.

I'm fairly certain if you purposely bid for LGA, you will not receive the A pass tickets and hotels.

If you get awarded LGA while in training, and are moved there before you finish IOE, you still get it. This is obviously unlikely to happen.

Careful, that D2 that should have been on the jumpseat may report you.

so you’re saying you should cancel your A12 and book D2 or maybe even burn a “vacation” pass just to be on the same level. Ok that makes sense.

If I am dhd for work and I have a confirmed seat in the back that’s a different story, I am not going to volunteer for the jumpseat so the company can sell an extra seat and bump another fellow commuter.

How does that make sense you cant take a jumpseat if you are trying to commute back home just as bad as the guy next to you? You are both on the dame stand by list.

I'm not going to tell you that it makes sense. I'm going to tell you that A pass travel is not for the jumpseat.

What doesn't make sense is giving out A12 travel 'privileges' under the guise of 'positive space'. It is not.

if this is the case and if this is what they are advertising as positive space out of LGA then the company is messing with you big time. I had to commute to LGA for a few months and what saved me 90% of the time was an Airbus with two jump seats. All they’re going to do with an A12 is bump you to a later flight, this is far from positive space, very frustrating.

Agreed 100%

“Revenue passenger” would be the best term I can come up with.

Pos space - that plane ain’t leaving without you.

Revenue passenger - once you have a seat on the plane then they aren’t likely going to kick you off. You are at the top of the standby list but less than the over sale passengers.

Non Rev- no explanation needed.

So a buddy of mine got a couple of 6 leg days out of LGA. This is nuts. I thought 5 was brutal

What is a fatigue call for $500?

Last leg is a deadhead. Be careful with that.

with a 3 hour sit before that Deadhead. Isnt that something. They got u by the **** on that one

Is it less than 14hrs?

Doesn't matter

It matters.
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